Kickstarter Campaign for PoE's Optional Self Found League!

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grant_m wrote:

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TheBagman wrote:

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TheBagman wrote:

I personally have no strong feelings about a SFL, but I can tell you why it probably won't happen. Trading boosts player interaction. Player interaction boosts retention. Finally, retention boosts revenue. Even more simply put, players in a self-found game of this type tend (as a whole) to get bored and quit. A player who quits isn't buying anything from the shop.

Yes, there are certainly people who would play SF for ages, but there's plenty more who think they like the idea, but get bored after trying it for a while. On the whole, I suspect a SFL would probably be a revenue loss for GGG.

Personally, I'd like GGG to thrive, so I think it's a bad idea, but I'm not worried, as I'm sure they're fully aware of the stats.

grant_m "Question for you. Have you traded at all during your time with the game?" (quote edited due to embedded quote restrictions)

Not a lot, but yes. Not at all relevant to my post, however.

And how much $$$ have you sent GGG's way over the years? Because I haven't traded at all in my time. ZERO trading.

See how it has suddenly become relevant to your post?

Eh, I haven't tracked it, but something like $100, or so. Obviously, I don't have the fancy 'supporter' tag as you do. I congratulate you on your RL success, and for supporting the game we both love (sincerely).
That said, my point is that what some players may well continue to thrive in a SFL, as a whole, this mode does not retain players as well as the current system. Thus, barring evidence to the contrary, such a game-mode would likely be a revenue loss for the company. In a game with thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of players, the actions of individuals (outliers), aren't relevant in regards to game design.
TLDR: No, your question regarding how much I've traded in game (and, by implication, it's relation to how much you've traded in game) remain irrelevant to my post.

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DirkAustin wrote:

Nicely said. Keep it up, youre very welcome here, at least by some. *hugs* :)

Excited to be here! Finally made a character that can do maps after soooooo much trial and error!

Community seems awesome so far!

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I'm just thrilled its only Dirk who's flying the fanatic anti-SFL flag this go around, and not Xav as well! Perhaps there can be only one Sith lord after all.

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Id check again, im def flying that flag. NO SFL PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

e: and still waiting on that KS

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mrpetrov wrote:

I'm just thrilled its only Dirk who's flying the fanatic anti-SFL flag this go around, and not Xav as well! Perhaps there can be only one Sith lord after all.

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Be careful do,



on-topic :

I played SFL mode for roughly a year and a half before i allowed myself to trade and got involved into the "standard PoE" experience.

This helped me understand a lot of the mechanics, look at it like this :
when you are deprived of the bare necessity's creativity surges and this combined with persistence make for a great combination to really dig in and start to understand what makes a character good.

I could urge every new player who joins this community to do the same. It's cheap and you learn a lot, however it is not for the feeble minded.

I open with that because it holds relevance to my next point.

Assuming that an SFL is going to last 4 months at a time, it should exit into a void league. And it should have increased drop rates.

Now why do i say such a thing?

1) this game is ever evolving and it's rapid changes make a static long duration SFL totally meaningless.
Consider the time it takes to farm a single character with trade enabled? Now roughly multiply that time by six and you get a number at which a SFL player would finish that character.
I estimate an average of around one year to roughly one year and 6 months for a character to attain "full completion" by it's creator in a SFL league. (this is purely speculation based on my past experiences with the game, note that RNG might shorten or prolong this)

Now if we apply such a long duration to PoE in it's current state, that character would have gotten roughly four to six respecs, the passive tree reworked and nerfed/buffed three or more times(extensively).

As such, the original design of the character is also subject to change, even prolonging the duration to completion even more.

So in short, an SFL would have to push that one year and a half for completion into a time-span between extensive passive tree re-works. I see no other way to do this then to either enable "high end targeted crafting + increased drop rates" Or just increased drop rates (but then RNG dictates the outcome more and the completion process is again subject to change by a greater degree)

That is not to say that i would particularly want this, i would play it for sure, but it is not high on my "santa's list". But i can understand the desire for it and wanted to share this thought process with you as to why it should exit in a void league and the reasoning behind doing so.

Carry on sir's.

Peace,

-Boem-

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mrpetrov wrote:

I'm just thrilled its only Dirk who's flying the fanatic anti-SFL flag this go around, and not Xav as well! Perhaps there can be only one Sith lord after all.

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You took the wind out of my sails with the second paragraph of your opening post :P And I've always supported SF ladders. And I definitely hope people don't see me on the same level as Dirk lol (yes offence).