Kickstarter Campaign for PoE's Optional Self Found League!

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Lugrum wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Make a head count in here, see how many people you got, then you have the extreme SFL proponents who actually want it and thats your rough number.

That's a pretty bad way to go about suggestions. You look at the suggestion. You try to see if it makes sense or not and then you tell us your opinion. Let me clarify that your opinion is fine, it's not what i have a problem with. What i have a big problem with is the tyrranical way of some posters trying to shut up suggestions. There are good arguments on both sides, simply saying "it's not my problem so beat it" is bad.

Scrolling through the thread and counting voices will never lead to anything here. I was on the fence about posting here because i know i will have to deal with insults, for one thing. And i'm not even what you call an extreme SFL Proponent. I play the game, have fun.

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DirkAustin wrote:

Play SFL in the game as it is, for why do you need a league for that? You dont want increased drop rates, you dont want to trade either, and the game doesnt force you to trade anyways, its not like you cant progress without trading. So there, its already in the game unless you want some silly ladder thats not gonna do anybody any good because people would just buy accounts that have good items and orbs on them. RMT would still affect SFL just as much as the trading part of the game has RMT.

That's a topic in itself, but not what the OP wanted here, so i wont go into detail.

You just said this is a suggestion and therefore this thread should be locked as there is already such a suggestion in the proper section on this forum and we dont need duplicate threads around here. Go bump that other one if you want, because this should either be moved to suggestions and the other one locked or this one should be locked, end of story.

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iamstryker wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

The whole player base doesnt want this or they would post in here, therefore it stands to reason that the few that post here are supposed to be enough to warrant the creation of a SFL but its not.

Looking at the history of this forum I can show you evidence of how you could be extremely wrong. Back when I argued a lot for the existence of looting options, over and over again there would be this same argument that there weren't enough of us for it to matter. They claimed we were a minority and didn't have enough support.....ya look how that turned out.

FYI to the people in this thread. Dirk cares more about trolling for attention than about this topic itself. Just look at his post count, it's a game.

Oh, resorting to bullying, how nice.

Um, if you think a company that bases trading around all their leagues is gonna create a trading free league for some 100 people or so youre delusional.

And yeah sure, simple logic is just such a fun game to me, got me there. And the only one giving any shits about my post count are the people that disagree with me and cant hold a proper conversation without resorting to bullying.

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iamstryker wrote:

Looking at the history of this forum I can show you evidence of how you could be extremely wrong. Back when I argued a lot for the existence of looting options, over and over again there would be this same argument that there weren't enough of us for it to matter. They claimed we were a minority and didn't have enough support.....ya look how that turned out.

Yea it ruined public games that how it turned out!

IMO this was the single worst decision GGG has made to date. NO QUESTION.

This game once had a healthy balance if players who liked the “loot tension” dynamic and those that disliked it. Now, just about EVERYONE who liked it is GONE.

Loot tension is a mild PVP mini-game element that was designed into PoE on purpose, players were supposed to loot fast and keep moving just like in D2. If you didn’t like it you had the option of playing solo or making some friends and agree to not try and take each other’s loot / or share.

Now, with the removal of loot tension this is what I see in public games:

Nobody shares loot anymore, even among friends. Do you use a bow? Did a rare bow just drop for another player?

Because nobody has a need to share loot now, why bother? You would have to ask them “can I see the bow” and they have to go pick it up, ID it and then trade it to you.

Whereas before they might just see that you are using a bow, and not pick it up so after a few seconds you can just take it. And, assume you might do the same for them. now its not worth the hassle.

Most players SOLO now who would have normally played group games.

Even in maps, I see most streamers soloing, and why bother helping other players with quests when you can go up to the boss area and host a game and charge a chaos from each player to kill the boss? (Sometimes these are the ONLY public games I see for hours – it’s lame as hell) Before, you might have just helped because you were higher level and could stand closer to danger and therefore get more loot for helping them.

There really are almost no advantages to playing a pub group if you have a competent character – most if not all public games now are made because players need help doing a quest. This was not the case when loot tension was in place.

Seriously, you are the biggest liar ever iamstryker – EVERYONE who argued against loot options said exactly what would happen! And we were right. We said NOBODY will play FFA or SA when PERM allocation is easier. FIN

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I actually am really enjoying this thread, hell I’ll even donate some money if you guys really do a kickstarter. This SFL “stuff” is really “perma allocation on steroids” it goes directly against their design for the game as far as I’m concerned its GGG’s chickens coming home. And I think they know it.

GGG: "Now lets get some PvP going!" Oh it makes my sides hurt laughing!

You had a perfectly good PvP element in the game that worked! And YOU TOOK IT OUT already. Almost everyone I know that liked FFA looting/loot tension also enjoyed PVP… And they are long gone.

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Prisus wrote:

Relatively new player here (compared to most) so hopefully I don't get burned at the stake for my opinions.

Personally, I think (if anything) a self-found league would be very, very interesting to see. I think people's best creativity comes out when they have no option to acquire gear. Less people are playing "known cookie-cutters" and go towards whatever drops they get.

I don't know how increasing or decreasing drop rates helps anything though...the main problem being...what happens when the 4-month SFL is over? Does all of that buffed-drop-rate loot move over to standard where the inflation is nuts? Maybe that might even help to bring the economy back down to earth? (inb4 1% POE billionaires flame me)

I would definitely play a self-found league...if not for anything else...to see the crazy builds people come up with because all they can drop are crazy uniques.

Great topic...it's fun to think about at least!

Damned straight, brother. Good, thoughtful post