Kickstarter Campaign for PoE's Optional Self Found League!

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DirkAustin wrote:

So you want all of these items in 24h or less?

No he only wants the good ones. :)

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

Yea it ruined public games that how it turned out!

My point was that permanent loot was massively popular so those guys were wrong or blowing smoke.

But I appreciate your opinion.

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

Seriously, you are the biggest liar ever iamstryker – EVERYONE who argued against loot options said exactly what would happen! And we were right. We said NOBODY will play FFA or SA when PERM allocation is easier.

When did I lie? I said that people who wanted to play FFA could continue to do so if they wanted. That's still true. I'm not surprised no one plays FFA anymore.

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tackle70 wrote:

Yeah but the only reason people ask for SFL is because they want better droprates

Not true. Some people simply hate trading or that the game was designed for trading. That is not the same thing.

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iamstryker wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

Yeah but the only reason people ask for SFL is because they want better droprates

Not true. Some people simply hate trading or that the game was designed for trading. That is not the same thing.

It is absolutely true. If it weren't true, everyone crying about SFL would be busy playing the game self-found instead of coming onto the forums to cry about there being no self-found league.

"designed for trading" is a just a veiled way of saying "has crappy droprates"

There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from playing self-found right now. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

The worst part about playing self found is trying to get gems.

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tackle70 wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

Yeah but the only reason people ask for SFL is because they want better droprates

Not true. Some people simply hate trading or that the game was designed for trading. That is not the same thing.

It is absolutely true. If it weren't true, everyone crying about SFL would be busy playing the game self-found instead of coming onto the forums to cry about there being no self-found league.

"designed for trading" is a just a veiled way of saying "has crappy droprates"

There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from playing self-found right now. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Except of course, the changing passive tree every +- four months.

The constant nerf/buff hammer doing it's round.

The lack of stability to even consider playing this game for a full year self-found one a single concept trying to make it better and better.

Cause shucks, a few months later your build is broken beyond repair and you are set-back roughly 4 months again.

What does a trader do at this point?

Trade in the gear, get new gear, make a new passive tree, proceed to play content.

What does a SFL do in the current system?

Respec, try to make something work with the gear he has obtained in that amount of play-time and hope it works. If not = scrape the char and start over again.

And even if it works, the concept of that char is dead and forced into a new live.

Peace,

-Boem-

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tackle70 wrote:

It is absolutely true. If it weren't true, everyone crying about SFL would be busy playing the game self-found instead of coming onto the forums to cry about there being no self-found league.

The game specifically pushes you to trade, that's the way that it was designed. So telling people to play self found in a game designed for trading isn't exactly fair now is it?

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"designed for trading" is a just a veiled way of saying "has crappy droprates"

Nothing veiled about it. We know for a fact the drop rates are this low because of trading.

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There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from playing self-found right now. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

In your opinion bro.

So, like... Maybe change the title of the thread or, actually, like, make a kickstarter?

Money where your mouth is?...

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iamstryker wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

It is absolutely true. If it weren't true, everyone crying about SFL would be busy playing the game self-found instead of coming onto the forums to cry about there being no self-found league.

The game specifically pushes you to trade, that's the way that it was designed. So telling people to play self found in a game designed for trading isn't exactly fair now is it?

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"designed for trading" is a just a veiled way of saying "has crappy droprates"

Nothing veiled about it. We know for a fact the drop rates are this low because of trading.

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There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from playing self-found right now. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

In your opinion bro.

In other words, you're just affirming what I've already been saying. SFL requests are just QQ about droprate.

@Boem:
The things you mention are not really about SFL but rather just general complaints with the game and its design philosophy. I'm not saying those things are great (I'd rather not have to respec my build every 4 months), but it's clearly what GGG wants to do. Also newsflash: PoE isn't the only game (or the only good ARPG) out there, and many others don't have those problems.

Also, GGG clearly wants people on a hamster wheel of re-rolling characters endlessly. You just progress characters more quickly with trading than with SFL. Droprates are again the key issue.