checked TOS for scamming

So i just checked the TOS for any informations about scamming. didnt found anything about that.
At the end, scamming is allowed in Path of Exile.

It's been allowed for awhile now -.-

Servers are located in the good ol' US of ehhhhhh, so you can probably litigate through civil court. Fraud statutes are pretty open-ended, especially in some of the blue states.

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nait2k4 wrote:

Servers are located in the good ol' US of ehhhhhh, so you can probably litigate through civil court. Fraud statutes are pretty open-ended, especially in some of the blue states.

Nobody is going to court unless they were scammed for multi mirror level gear in which it would be over 500 dollars.

Which would beg how you would be scammed to begin with but that's another story.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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nait2k4 wrote:

Servers are located in the good ol' US of ehhhhhh, so you can probably litigate through civil court. Fraud statutes are pretty open-ended, especially in some of the blue states.

Nobody is going to court unless they were scammed for multi mirror level gear in which it would be over 500 dollars.

Which would beg how you would be scammed to begin with but that's another story.

It's not the value of the pixels that matter, it's the emotional harm :)

Your post hurt my feelings, you'll be hearing from my Lawyer(s).

Did you guys ever stop and think that it takes 2 people for a scam to occur?

If you are on the receiving end of a scam, you are 50% responsible for said scam. Do your research, don't trust anyone and you won't get scammed. Besides, the definition of 'scam' is too broad for GGG to ever warrant an action on the practice.

If you give me an exalt and hit 'accept' under the pretense that I'm going to give you something in return afterwards, and I don't, there is NO SCAM. There is player A giving player B an exalt for nothing. That's a transaction, not a scam.

A scam would be me telling you - "Hey, give me your credentials and I'll farm maps for you and you can keep all the rewards" But then I just take your account. That is a scam, and is also a violation of ToS for sharing account info.

Someone taking your midnight fragment or your mortal hope isn't a scam, it is your stupidity and gullibility for giving it to him in the first place.

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FadeXF wrote:

What I certainly dislike about GGG is that they are, in fact, not only are they endorsing the scamming, but they actively PROTECT the scammers too in not allowing us to even speak about it. We can't even have a healthy community to even air our grievances and let ourselves decide.

"Alleged" scammers, more than a few of these "scam" threads are not actually scams(flipping undercutting or not offering as much as the player wants for an item) not to mention the occasional dick that just want's to shit stir a grief another player.

Also considering the time constraint of dealing with every scam report, investigating it and determining if it was a scam in the first place, the punishment for it and subsequent petitions to support to repeal the punishment justified or not...it's not a realistic goal.

They have however added enough to trading to stop you from being scammed if you wish to use it coupled with some common sense.

Scam threads are really common this week... scams not so much. Most people are reporting things as scams that aren't. Give someone an item on a promise? Not a scam.

You know in one of my psychology classes we talked about people that steal... Turns out people that steal, the part of the brain that tells you not to is also the part of the brain that keeps you from killing another human. So these thieves are more likely to kill someone as well; pretty damn scary... More freighting is the fact that how you play it is a 100% of how you truly are as a person.

It's fascinating, these humans...

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FadeXF wrote:

If I pay buddy 5 chaos to complete my mortal set map and I get all drops - and we agree to terms - and then either buddy or myself break those terms - that is a scam.

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Not at all. You might believe there are agreed upon terms, but he doesn't have to. There's no contract. There's no liability. Whether or not you believe what he is doing is wrong morally has no bearing on the facts.

Think of the inverse. "I'll pay you after the work is done." What's to stop YOU from 'scamming' HIM? Nothing, only your good nature and moral compass. Don't assume the strangers online have that same compassion and morality. More often than not, they don't.

I payed for a merc dom run once. I forgot to bring the fuse. Pm'ed the guy, said sorry, but I'll give you a chaos after the run is done instead. He insisted that I go pick up the fuse before and give it to him. He performed his due diligence and didn't get scammed. (I was actually planning on giving him the Chaos though, but he didn't know that.)

What he did saved him from the potential of being scammed, but lowered his payout.