The main source of frustation, especially for new players
" I really doubt you are qualified enough to do attitude adjustments on other players with that little knowledge of yours: Last edited by Zogina#4115 on Dec 2, 2014, 10:59:02 AM
|
|
|
Yes, it is possible to elide the limits set by the core game regarding sockets with vorici's crafting bench - but its high probable that you dont have it high enough as early as "demanded" in a challenge league (nor as the 'new player' mentioned in the topic); NOR is it worth the price at all 'he' takes for the craft in that early stage.
add: and yes, you may have the luck to 'elide' the limits by a strongbox - but thats a very minor, and unreliable "chance". invited by timer @ 10.12.2011 -- deutsche Community: www.exiled.eu & ts.exiled.eu Last edited by Mr_Cee#0334 on Dec 2, 2014, 11:13:29 AM
|
|
" I like this. +1 |
|
|
The problem with the sockets/link system is that you have arbitrary levels where an item can be 5/6 socket (3 and 4 also), therefore be 5 or 6 linked. For a new player this can be damaging to their orbs trying to do things that are not possible and being unaware of itemlevel. Why even have it when the possibility of having 5/6 linked sockets low level, it's difficult to sustain mana so a player quickly knows not to do it. Having more sockets gives players more choice to try different gems at lower level and I always thought it was bogus along with the chromatic gem attribute thematics with colours.
The way it should have been that regardless of itemlevel, items can roll 6 sockets/links but higher the itemlevel of an item, it much more likely to roll 5/6 sockets/links. It make upgrading armours less of a pain when you already have 5/6 links and you have a very high level character, better crafting armours options, and conversely seeing a 6 link plate vest on a beach is so incredibly implausible that you would more likely find 10 mirrors before that happens. I'd rather see the end game balanced around 6 links than theoretic 5 link nonsense for when you get a 6 link you gain stupid damage that end game content it just basically parts you have to pay attention occasionally. Because there are more interesting things that could be done with the link system that aren't the done thing to do now because people hate how uniques give 7 link skills. |
|
" 1. You chose the wrong build. Most of the builds I chose in the past only require a 6s 4l+2l. Because I KNEW that getting a 6L was impossible for me at the time. So you chose a build that requires a 6L, then complain about the hard availability and refuse to go tabula. 2. tabula and 5l are extremely affordable. A tabula costs around 30c or 1ex or something on standard? And a 5L on the new 1-week race league on hardcore costed about 2-8 chaos depending on base item and ilvl and such. In fact, I even found a 5L staff. So I did a quick search on 5L items... Wow... 1 fuse to like 5c... How can you not afford that? Really how can you not afford that? These things drop all the time and I don't even bother picking them up anymore. 3. 4L+5L are very viable You also have no idea how many toons I leveled to 80-90 during the Beyond season with 4L and 5L. My SRS was 5L until lvl 88. Still raped lvl 74-75 maps. A 6L would have been complete overkill. The staff costed me 14c and I put a +1 to all gems and cast speed on it myself. A newbie player should just run lvl 70-74 maps anyway and not 76+ and complain about inefficient clearing speed compared to CoC's or whatever. Do you think I ran at max clear-speed? I think not. 4. No money but you run 76+ maps (as a newbie)? And if you are having trouble clearing 76+. Then let me ask you this: How do you sustain 76 maps if you can't even afford a 5L or 6L? Ah wait... You can't... So stop bullshitting us with your theories and about uninstalling poe. You are not talking out of experience. I have literally only 1 build that requires a 6L out of around 14 lvl 70-90 characters. And that is my CoC. 5. You want godlike items right away for new players? Oh wait, you want a 5L or 6L unique belly of the beast or something? Come on... Be serious. It's not Diablo 3 where you can max out in gear after 3 days of hardcore grinding or chest farming. Most builds, even with only a 4L or 5L, can clear up to 74 maps with ease. Then you make currency by running those 74 maps (and preferably by item flipping). And only THEN will you buy a 6L. Also many of the experienced players use a 5L for quiet some time, especially in new leagues and it works perfectly. Not optimal, not godlike, but still decent clear speeds. It all comes down to this: Certain people expect the world after 200 hours of gameplay in a game with a super high skill cap. But all they get is a semi optimized build for a 5L with decent clear speed to ~lvl 74 and desynchs. And it will stay that way unless they get an extremely lucky drop or until they learn the game. - You can't make your own skill trees as a newbie - You can't theory-craft because you don't know the mechanics - You won't be rich anytime soon by just mindlessly running maps without even knowing what items have real value. You must learn what rolls on items are important for x builds. - You can't get a 6L other than Tabula. - Yes the game is hard, it desynchs, and it requires 500+ hours before you understand the builds, itemization, passives, and god knows what for the average gamer with an avg. intelligence. - Yes learning to trade is a must in this game. Sometimes you need to hold on to an item. Or sometimes you need to buyout all the others and sell it for more :P. I did it once for spell echo and the price tripled for like 3 weeks :). - Don't squeeze the max out of a 4L. Squeeze the max out of ALL ITEMS! Including 6L's. And people who complain about xp penalties for levels 1-80... Really... It takes less than 3 minutes to farm it back. Last edited by silverdash#0964 on Dec 2, 2014, 12:11:37 PM
|
|
|
I think a few things are not explained so I'll explain further.
First off, I'm not a new player. I have almost 200 hours clocked on steam. If I was to add all my time with the game pre-steam that could easly double... I may not be able to do the math to know 100% which nodes are the absolute best to maxime a character's potential, but I do know enough now to make a build that won't suck... While my friend was playing for the first time, he was following a build from the foruns so that he wouldn't just get to a point where his character would be worthless. Now another thing for the people who say a 5L early on is overkill in sustain... By whose standards? Because while my friend had no 5L and he was absolutly doomed without it. I had a 5L from about mid way cruel. I did waste 30 fusing to get it, but get it I did as luck would have it (of course I realise I was nothing short of incredibly lucky). I was running ball lightning + faster casting + spell echo + life leech + lightning penetration and let me tell you. Sustain was not a problem. Between my mana nodes, regen nodes and clarity I had way more mana coming in than going out. I wasn't even using any items at all to give me any mana regeneration... I think you need to review the sustainabillity theory of yours. It is oly a problem in a character that gets absolutly nothing that will give him any mana regeneration but the average character will get some mana regen nodes early on... Let's not forget that there are mana potions, for a good deal of the game thos help you out quite a great deal. To clear mobs you don't need them, in fact if you have some sort of mana leech in an item then you really don't need it at all. If you are fighting a boss then you drink a potion when the mana is getting low and the extra mana coming in will keep you above the needed values for several seconds... Sustain is hardly a problem for most characters, especially if running a clarity aura which early on is gold. Also Silverdash, allow me to rectify you there for a second. 1 - There is no chosing the wrong build. 4L are extremely limited builds, it's only a very few skill gems that allow for that. If after over 400 hours of gameplay I still don't have enough to even get out of this. The game is doing it wrong. The game should allow for diversity early on. The game should not say to you. Spend 1000 hours with 5% to 10% of the game content before you are able to get 80% of the game content by simply having enough currency. The right way to do it is giving you 80% of the content in less than 100 hours and then let you work hard for the really hard to get stuff. Having enough diversity early on is very important. 2 - 5L in standard is NOT afordable. You don't see anything for sale in the market for anything less than exaults. I have looked for it, getting something that is both low enough level has the 5L is the right type of armour and has the right links (forget any and all bonus, just that much needed). Nothing short of an exault or more will get you that. Again, I know because I tried it! Stop talking without actually having any knowledge of cause... Oh and please don't come to me saying it's standard and prices are skewed. Right now there is only races available which I hate and standard/hardcore. But hey you know what, if you get 5L droping like candy as you say and you just ignore them, please feel free to gather half a douzen of them, specifi armor type, not mixed. Some for energy, some for evasion, some for armor, heck, some 6L too that you don't want while you're at it. After all you don't want it so giving it away doesn't hurts you right? Do bear in mind that the 5L should be bellow level 40. Also I don't care if they are white, I don't mind spending an alchemy orb on it... Somehow I don't think you'll take me up on this. 3 - 4L is viable with a very limited pool. 5L is very viable with 80% of the builds, there is still that 20% than absolutly need the 6L, maybe not right from the start but they need the 6L none the less to work as intended, a 5L works, but it's suboptimal, you'll lose quite a bit, doable but much weaker and very hard to go on. Still a 5L is already plenty hard to get as I've explained above. 4 - For someone who said that you don't need more than a 4L for mercyless + maps you are saying that someone else has absolutly no chance of doing without at least a 5L and some good amount of currency. Contradicting yourself? 5 - Are you saying that a 5L is a godlike item? Are you saying that a 6L is a godlike item? No, godlike items are the really good uniques. Sure they can drop but no one is asking for those to drop like candy. What is being asked here is a reliable way to have 5L and 6L as soon as level permits so that you can have your builds working as they are expected to work... The unique drop rate are pretty well done as far as I'm concerned. So it's not that people expect that after 200 hours they have everything. But they'd expect to have some freedom of choice at that point, heck probably before that. I don't see a problem with that. "The heavens burned
The stars cried out And under the ashes of infinity Hope, scarred and bleeding breathed it's last." |
|
" Hi, I typically sell these for 1 c if I even bother to pick them up. I do not sell anything below that normally but you can find it occasionally for 1 alc or fus. Lets try. |
|
" Thank you. I actually just logged into xyz to do this as well. |
|
|
Alright now let's see. Bellow level 40 I found one for 4 chaos, one for 5 and one for 6, only one for 1 chaos.
And this reflects poe.xyz But let's try to actually find people in game selling those (unless you are lucky to find any of those people online, (I've tried and never managed, I simply use poe.xyz for price apraisal but not to actually try and buy things from those people, many cases it's people who don't even play anymore) odds are you are going to pay exaults for those things. Don't forget the level requirements are pretty important too and I'm not going even with the getting the right coloured sockets. Like I said. i tried to buy it in game. I've searched several channels looking for an armor based chest piece with 5L, 4 red and 1 green. No matter quallity, could even be white. The only offers there were was rares going for over an exault... I've looked at many sales (and people only post rare and uniques for sale) and again, they always ask one or more exaults. Really poe.xyz has only been good for me to know the value of uniques, nothing else. "The heavens burned
The stars cried out And under the ashes of infinity Hope, scarred and bleeding breathed it's last." |
|
|
Last edited by Sa_Re#3411 on Dec 2, 2014, 1:30:42 PM
|
|
