How is GGG going to stop D2JSP and similar scum?

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caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps wrote:

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dust7 wrote:

why?

internet


specifically: internet, somebody's wrong on the

Precisely.

+1

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^_-

If botting, hacking, and duping and prevented, then auction sites are of negligible impact. If you have to actually get the rare items with man-hours, then.then you'll have to spend a significant amount of money to gain any real advantage.

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Rastigi wrote:

If botting, hacking, and duping and prevented, then auction sites are of negligible impact. If you have to actually get the rare items with man-hours, then.then you'll have to spend a significant amount of money to gain any real advantage.

Possibly true, but ultimately unlikely. Even if there are no hacks or dupes that work, it won't stop people from trying to find one — and that still potentially damages the server and degrades performance for the rest of us.

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You bought items? Deleted. You sold items? Deleted. Wanna try again, legitimately this time? Okay, you can make a new character.

Given that this game is going to be f2p, we don't have the right to be indignant about a penalty as harsh as this. This could work.

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svartiske wrote:

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You bought items? Deleted. You sold items? Deleted. Wanna try again, legitimately this time? Okay, you can make a new character.

Given that this game is going to be f2p, we don't have the right to be indignant about a penalty as harsh as this. This could work.

I consider that the minimum. I'd delete the account, not just the character.

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svartiske wrote:

Given that this game is going to be f2p, we don't have the right

oh god what is this "it's free so it should be brutal/terrible/buggy/unfair/exploitative/unethical/whatever" argument doing here


ps how do you enforce the buy/sell->delete rule?

Nothing about that penalty would be any of the adjectives you used.

Enforcement is exactly the question that this thread originally posed.

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DragoonWraith wrote:

Nothing about that penalty would be any of the adjectives you used.

Right, it was an adjective he used:

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Given that this game is going to be f2p, we don't have the right to be indignant about a penalty as harsh as this. This could work.

More generally, I'd say:
1. "It's free, so we must expect [negative]" is a terrible argument.
2. Enforcement has not been solved by this thread, so a 'harsh' penalty may become unfair, brutal, unethical, harsher, whatever, etc. etc. For example, account killing an unsuspecting victim with tainted items.

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caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps wrote:

2. Enforcement has not been solved by this thread, so a 'harsh' penalty may become unfair, brutal, unethical, harsher, whatever, etc. etc. For example, account killing an unsuspecting victim with tainted items.

The penalty would not be unfair, the targeting would.

At the very least, the item itself ought to be deleted.