How is GGG going to stop D2JSP and similar scum?

D2JSP ruins every game they touch (if you don't agree with this statement, you should just go; you don't understand anything); if this one becomes popular, they'll do their best to ruin this one too.

Similarly, item-selling sites wreak havoc, completely throwing the economy out of whack and actively taking money from GGG.

How does GGG plan on preventing these things? This is extremely important to my continued enjoyment of the game.

I know that there is a lot of hate against D3 style auction house, but I do believe that some kind of auction house is mandatory because if GGG doesn't do it - someone else will. And that "someone else" will make profit of it. PLUS some users will probably get scammed and rage-quit the game.

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Zlutz wrote:

I know that there is a lot of hate against D3 style auction house, but I do believe that some kind of auction house is mandatory because if GGG doesn't do it - someone else will. And that "someone else" will make profit of it. PLUS some users will probably get scammed and rage-quit the game.

No. If GGG did that I would quit the moment they announced it. Considering their stated intentions with the game (i.e. not doing that), I'd be curious if there legal recourse for getting any money I might have already spent on the game back, since I would see that as going back on stated expectations (I doubt there is any such recourse or that it would be worth it, but I'd be angry enough to look into it).

GGG not only has to not have such a travesty in the game — but also to take all reasonable measures to stop others from doing it.

These things ruin games, full-stop. GGG shouldn't encourage it and should do what they can to prevent it.


Besides, these people cost GGG money. GGG has a vested interest in killing them. I'm curious if they have any plans for dealing with it, be it technical or legal.

You might hate me for saying this, but by being relatively irrelevant.

JSP won't infect something with a playerbase that is 1/10th of Diablo 2, now will it?

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Similarly, item-selling sites wreak havoc, completely throwing the economy out of whack and actively taking money from GGG.

Don't see how you can legally deal with someone who operates out of countries like China. Don't know of a single MMO that did deal with them, legally or technically.

I would really like to see an auction house. How could an auction house be bad at all?
An auction house would give players the possibility to trade comfortably. No spamming chat, no waiting for possible customers, no need to meet trading partners personally.
I think trading via chat like it is now is just very uncomfortable and steals precious gaming time en masse (i want to play a hacknslay game, i do not want to spend time waiting for trades to happen). An auction house would solve this.

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DragoonWraith wrote:

How is GGG going to stop D2JSP and similar scum?

They won't. They can't. End of story. PoE's league system and the absence of gold and an auction house is just perfect for sites like jsp where you can crosstrade over various leagues (even games) using a consistent currency.

In fact, I am going to say that PoE will be the game that saves d2jsp, as D3 is pretty much designed in a way to eliminate jsp trouble ('meaningful' gold, ingame -scammer free- RMAH). No new user will register on jsp to trade D3 stuff.

While I support the design decisions of the PoE devs regarding the economy, we have to face the truth that they are playing into the hands of jsp at the same time.

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Hartbrot wrote:

I would really like to see an auction house. How could an auction house be bad at all?
An auction house would give players the possibility to trade comfortably. No spamming chat, no waiting for possible customers, no need to meet trading partners personally.
I think trading via chat like it is now is just very uncomfortable and steals precious gaming time en masse (i want to play a hacknslay game, i do not want to spend time waiting for trades to happen). An auction house would solve this.

The problem isn't necessarily an auction house, but a Diablo 3-style RMT auction house. That legitimizes third party sales services by simply implementing a first party one. Of course, adding any auction house adds some level of real money value to items and such, but the market is more volatile in a game with no liquid currency that is also free-to-play (in other words, all obstacles can ultimately be overcome with a higher time investment; thus, third party RMT companies will only profit from an increasingly diminishing minority with disposable income). Personally, I'm opposed to an RMT AH from a moral standpoint. Yes, it is highly profitable, but it's a leverage against the people that can't pay for items. They gain profit by losing playerbase. That's good for funding the project, but not good for getting the word out. Of course, Blizzard's playerbase is already so massive today that they'll never notice any lost word-of-mouth worth.

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DragoonWraith wrote:

How is GGG going to stop D2JSP and similar scum?

They won't. They can't. End of story.

Pretty much this. You should get rid your illusions OP, there will be outward influences to the economic system. You can't prevent it. You are a bitch about it, and GGG has nothing to do with your personal expectations. Only possibility of not having this, is to prohibit trading at all. Maybe there will a self found league, and you will find your way there.

Oh, GGG can put an end to most of it. They just need to get mean and get serious and maybe have a GM or two with a job of tracking it.

It's simple, really. They just trace items. Anyone who moves around a lot of items is monitored, and if that person is found to be trading items for no in-game reason- in other words, for real money- or is discussing RMT in-game or anything of the sort, then GGG deletes the account and permbans the IP or possibly even the entire /24 or even /16 IP range.

Then they go through the logs and delete the accounts of everyone who did business with that person. You bought items? Deleted. You sold items? Deleted. Wanna try again, legitimately this time? Okay, you can make a new character. Otherwise, get the fuck out.

It might not totally stop it, but hardcore enforcement will cripple any off-site auction house.

A RMAH is a horrible idea for a game, but I don't think it will take the item sellers away from D3 at all because it's still way to easy to sell an item and it won't have the Blizz cut tacked on to it if you buy from an item seller. D3 will be big and I do think item sellers will be much more concerned with it for at least the next 3 or so years.

I think making a bot for PoE is going to be harder than for other games. Conversely I think that the PoE currency items are so useful that all a botter would have to do it sell currency items and not worry about weapons or armour at all.

So all I hope is that GGG will be taking the problem more seriously than many other companies do and if the worst happens, there's still private leagues where you can have a player controlled and completely legit player base :)