New annoying trade practice (semi-scam)

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Quite honestly one of the funniest and yet saddest threads I've read in a while. I particularly enjoy the comparison to 'tag switching' -- uhm, no. Since the tag hasn't actually changed in your 'shop', this is much closer to the would-be buyer coming up to the counter and saying 'I'll buy this for a dollar' when *you* set the price at two dollars and it's still labeled as such.

This really does come back to either not understanding how barter/haggling works (if they're offering less than your b/o and claiming it's the b/o, surely you who set the buyout will know better) or just plain stupidity on the seller's behalf for forgetting their own b/o.

Scam. LOL. Right. In a better world, people would be too embarrassed at not being able to handle their own b/os and trading to even make a post about this. Compared to a real scam, which involves a modicum of effort on the scammer's behalf *and* takes advantage of the victim's ignorance somehow, this is nothing. Do keep in mind that 'scam' is more often than not, in the real world at least, a term applied to businesses trying to *illegally* take advantage of ignorant customers. Not that this community is new to misusing words and terms because one idiot does it first and a bunch of other idiots don't stop to think about what they're actually saying.

I emphasise 'illegal' because it is not 'illegal' to lie in a haggling/bartering system. In fact, it's sort of hard to haggle and not, to some degree, deceive the other party.

That said, of course it's possible to scam a shop -- most commonly in terms of returning goods and refunds. That's outright fraud. But calling an attempt to get a bargain hoping the seller isn't paying attention a 'scam' is really stretching it.

The would-be buyer is hoping the would-be seller is an idiot and doesn't know their own set prices. The would-be seller shouldn't be an idiot but by the same token, if they are, it's entirely their fault. The By labeling this as a scam, the OP is trying to shift the blame from the seller not managing their shit sufficiently to the cunning buyer hoping the seller isn't paying attention to their own prices.

Which brings me back to why this is one of the funniest and saddest threads I've read in a while.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

The only reason you can't understand the difference is because you are most likely one of the people who tries to scam.

Stop shooting yourself in the foot with fallacies. Seriously. You're already on the ropes with this matter.

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

The only reason you can't understand the difference is because you are most likely one of the people who tries to scam.

Stop shooting yourself in the foot with fallacies. Seriously. You're already on the ropes with this matter.

LOL I am not "on the ropes" There is you and 3 trolls on one side and the majority of the PoE community on the other. I didn't see this post when I wrote my last reply, but you just further confirmed everything I just wrote about you.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Eternallight wrote:

Would you, in all honesty, tell someone that the b/o is only 1 ex if they contacted you and offered you 5 ex for the item because they misread/misunderstood/etc? If no, then /thread. If yes, then I honestly believe you are the only virtuous person on this forum.

I would. Fair is fair. That's an honest mistake on their behalf and being a fair trader gives you as a trader a good reputation.

Letting yourself be duped into selling something for cheaper than you listed it at is only going to garner you a reputation for being a dupe, however. No one should sympathise with that. It's not like you were robbed or seriously scammed. You just got outplayed, and not even by someone particularly bright.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

There's nothing 'wrong' with it and most would consider it fair capitalistic practice to accept an overpayment, but to me it's like when a shop gives you too much change. You can either take it and run, or you can say, 'hey, mate, you gave me too much change'.

In my experience, the latter works better, especially if you plan to shop there again -- and especially if it's the sort of place where you're likely to be served by the same person again.

That's the core of this matter, by the way. Personal vs impersonal. Most traders in games treat it as impersonal and just go for whatever they can, because it's just online and who cares? But it can get personal, not always in a bad way. A good trade even on here can lead to excellent future experiences, guild recruitment, friendship, etc.

I think it's a huge mistake to correlate the anonymity of the internet with true anonymity/facelessness.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Right, we NEED those safeties and failsafes to ensure everything is 'fair'.

PoE doesn't have those, and it deliberately doesn't have those.

Caveat emptor, caveat venditor.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Part of another reason I don't trade (and why I don't get to high-high level, or play HC): I don't want to care that much. I don't trust myself to enjoy this game once it gets past a certain threshold, and I think second-guessing myself over trades would fall under that category.

So my hat off to any and all who can engage in this and not become nervous wrecks. Meanwhile I'll keep doddering around at low-to-mid level, having a blast like a mentally challenged giant in the kiddie pool.

Charchar out.