New annoying trade practice (semi-scam)

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

The reason I differentiate between scam and ripoff is simple: a scam can get you arrested in real life; a ripoff typically cannot.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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k4n3 wrote:

let's take a look at the simplest definition of a word "scam" in Meriam-Webster's dictionary
(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam):

1. "a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people"
2. "to deceive and take money from (someone)"
3. "to get (something, such as money) by deceiving someone"

so, in the light of the above, the activity describied in the OP, is clearly a form of scam, since the so called buyer intends to obtain something by deceiving the seller.

doesn't matter if it is easily verifiable by the seller what b/o price a particular item has been listed under in his shop, the fact remains that the buyer tries to deceive the seller by providing him with false information about his item's price in hopes that the seller does not remember it or is either too lazy to check the actual b/o for himself or is so naive as to trust a stranger that what is being told to him is true.

of course, this form of scam is rather a minor form of deceit, isn't also illegal and thus bannable, but is still rather not very ethical thing to do.

also, contrary to what some people say here, trying to dismiss this shady activity as irrelevant or defending it as a form of "outplaying", it is a good and useful thing that this thread has been intiatated and the attention has been given to yet another form of scam/deceit/rip-off - or however you want to call it.

many forms of scamming in PoE wouldn't have taken place if the game had some form of in-built trading tool. it's only a fault or lack of resources on the developer's part that such activities are still happening and hopefully this situation will change in the future, as has been promised by developers, once the safe trading system is finally implemented.

You erred in taking the simplest definition, because that also happens to be the least precise. Definition 1 could apply to any haggling situation. Definition 2 could be most sales situations in retail. Definition 3 is the most useful, but still entirely too broad to apply here.

The reason I differentiate between scam and ripoff is simple: a scam can get you arrested in real life; a ripoff typically cannot.

You will not be 'arrested' in PoE for trying to rip someone off. You will be punished, however, if you do something like item swapping or otherwise is outside what GGG considers 'fair trade'. It's all about understanding the system.

To call something this petty a 'scam' is to elevate it well beyond its significance.

End of story.

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

I've now had 2 people whisper me asking to buyout an item with a lower buyout price than I have listed. Now I don't mind negotiating, that is all part of the trade game, but these fuckers are purposely trying to trick sellers into thinking they are offering b/o.

What these people are trying to do is the equivalent of someone walking into a shop with a price sticker gun and labeling a product at a discount and then going to the owner and asking to buy the product at the "listed" price.

What the hell is so hard with making a legitimate offer? Why would someone think it is a good idea seeing if sellers don't remember their own buyouts?

I would have taken both the offers but because they tried to use deception I promptly ignored them after confirming what they had tried to do.

Basically I am wondering wtf is wrong with so many people? It is like the majority of people on the internet were raised by wolves on some far off mountainside. How can so many people be so socially inept ;(

EDIT: Added second paragraph for clarity.