Auction.

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szoltomi wrote:

After reading through the previous suggestions, I'll add my points as well.

I don't believe a WoW-like auction system can be implemented properly, because of the lack of a general currency.
If it uses the currency items, the problem is people value currency items differently, and it leaves out the bartering feel of trading, which was mentioned officialy somewhere before.

If we only have the trade chat and forums, it will just end up being an autospammed textflow, which is neither very seller, nor buyer-friendly.

I would propose an "advertisement" system instead. Traders could list their items, and fill out a field what they are looking for in turn. At the simplest, the latter could be a textfield, but to ease filtering, a keyword system would be better.

Someone looking for items could query items and filter this database with (key)words, and once he picked something, he could contact the seller, either in whisper, or mail (If the game will have that).

The trading itself could be arranged in a meet, or a distance-trading option can be made as well, if the devs want to do so.

One extra step would be a free bidding system, where people could list their bids as any item(s). Then it's the seller's choice to pick from the bids. This way, it doesn't need both players online to finish the trade.

I think your idea is good, but confusing... the most people that plays online games and such is commonly known by Auction houses and NPCs, the solution you came up with is not bad at all, but IS new to the people, and people are very easily confused these days.

But that is up to the dev-team to deside.
All Suggestions are good so keep them stacking up.

An auction with real money (like Diablo III) will be really addictive. In addition it will replace the annoying micro payments siystem to buy items or a cool hairstyle.

Taurus please...I don't think youre getting the point at all...theres plenty of people who want to PLAY THE GAME and have it nothing to do WITH THEIR MONEY. Simple as that.

This "I want the shiny stuff now and I don't want to earn it" is pure childish. Its the WoW philosophy: if youre not "endgame" and maxxxxxed out youre useless. A lot of people need to simply learn to play the game! Not as in L2P, but as in learn to have fun while PLAYING!

Now how much worth is any achievment when the alternative price of it is something like a few bucks and cheating to get it isn't event considered something bad? Right, its worth nothing. Now why would I want to play a game where my achievments are worth nothing? Right, I don't want to. And I'm not alone like that.

Best of luck with your business plan, but games for me is FUN and not BUSINESS. And theres even more people like that.

We can only be happy GGG aren't taking the Blizzard's path. Theyre making COMPETITIVE game (having RMAH completely takes the competitiveness out of an ARPG - that alone makes it a bad thing) as opposed to a game where those who spend more are more powerful...guess which one I'll choose.

I won't even go into PvP (where the RMAH becomes even more OPTIONAL? Yeah..)...

P.S. And when did PoE Auction thread turn into RMAH discussion? Theres already plenty of that.

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learn to have fun while PLAYING!

I think this is a good statement, because i know how i will act if there is a easy way to gain "fitting" loot, be it RealMoney or a fast item-swap.

To cross the border (search for a website which offered these fast items) back in the d2-days, was greater than klicking Exit ingame. Because it wasnt fun to surf that long to find a fitting one.

And of course, i bought 2-4 cheap items on ebay, but it got boring to do so.
I enjoyed trading with other players, hopping from one game to the other, had a little chat with them, and some got invited to my circle of farmingfriends.

Now a anonymos AH would only force me to check every some minutes if there is new loot availible, minutes where im not playing the game.


The other Thing is:
These Auctionhouses are always full of crap loot, the really good items that shine are often braodcasted manually becouse else noone would find them in that AH.

What about a restricion like , you can only put 1 item up per account for a weekly duration ?

Earlier someone mentioned a specific specialization of classes were the only ones that could sell stuff on a marketplace.

If the last class is at all related to mercantile, I think this dynamic would work out very well.


RMAH has no business being in any game, ever.

See,PsychoRomeo, my whole problem with your idea of this skillful trade system where one isn't even allowed to advertise in a basic trade channel is that it limits the potential of both marketing and consumer base. What I mean by that is people would have to resort to bartering with those they either know (friends, family or clan members) or happen upon prospective buyers while traveling; leaving both a very limited amount of people to trade with as well as a narrow understanding of what the universal value of each item may be. Furthermore, it'd alienate newer players who won't necessarily be familiar with the game's economy straight away, nor would they be as adept as veterans to PoE.

How are we to have a successful game economy without trade's most fundamental component: communication. I think players would simply end up resorting to exterior sources, such as a wiki or forum for the essential information needed to get the best deal; making trade highly impersonal, which I gather you're against from your previous objections to a world AH.

I'd strongly advise GGG to avoid excluding vital mechanics that would lead to third party program usage (intended to compensate for everyday game play) whenever possible. A basic trade channel (even our beloved Diablo 2 had this), or even a central trade hub for routine commerce is as vital as player-to-player trade itself--one cannot thrive without the other.

Call me old (cos I am 41) but I like bartering. Face to face item for item or the upgrades GGG has in the game.

Hello,

I think either face to face or auction are nice way to trades. Both been successful in the past.

The only problem i see sometimes with face to face trade could be the spams in certain place in the game or on the channels.

A good trading system is one that fosters communication.

An auction house is not communication. In fact, it is the exact opposite. It's automation. It is exactly the same as buying items from NPCs.

Foster communication with some of the other ideas suggested.

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Bee wrote:

Hello,

I think either face to face or auction are nice way to trades. Both been successful in the past.

The only problem i see sometimes with face to face trade could be the spams in certain place in the game or on the channels.

Well, there is nothing wrong with "face to face" but other options is also good to have, for example: if you got some stuff you really want to sell while your doing other things an auction house is a very good thing to have too.

I mean, let's say, you got like a "platemail" you want to sell, and in a trade-channel chat and you are yelling to advertising you item, and then after some effort and a great deal of time and repititions you hook someone up and then transfer your item for another item of iterest or money, thats one thing.

But it will be lots of more waiting and effort for sey like 20-30 items you want to sell.

Do you still like to do it "face to face" if that is the case? I sure would not like to if you ask me.