The -15% exp penalty is obnoxiously bad outdated design.

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Undon3 wrote:

Some of you people get it wrong. We should desire as much commercial success as possible for PoE. It will show the devs&team how much appreciated their brain child is.

Commercial success=Money-->more additions to the team-->more improvements-->more content, acts, maps whatever-->better quality.

Money opens the path for all of these good things. I'm truly happy the game is hardcore(-ish) and has success. Wishing it to remain a hidden gem for your own interests is a very selfish thing though. The team needs to be properly and handsomely rewarded for their huge efforts.

Sure, this will mean the hardcore players will be a minority, they most probably already are. You shouldn't worry about it. There are tools to implement stuff for almost everybody, keep them happy&playing. GGG's vision does not need to be compromised at all. They just need to refine the raw brilliance they have in their hands a little, and smartly offer the content in a personalised way.

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

I sure hope you fuck the heck off.

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Redwings1234 wrote:

Money and a giant dev team SURELY make games amazing. I mean, look at all the amazing games produced by these very lucrative companies...oh wait, the games are all shit.

No thanks.

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Undon3 wrote:

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

I sure hope you fuck the heck off.

There is no need to be impolite. Do we know each other? I certainly hope not. So please keep your distance and trolling away from me (maybe do it in a civilised manner?) or I'll report you the next time and let the moderators deal with you as per forum rules. And no, I will not respond in the same manner to you, I am smart enough to ignore provocations on the Internet.

By the way, WoW is to be respected, although clearly not perfect, it is the reference online game. And raiding heroics or PvP in 2200+ zone is NOT casual or mainstream in any way, it's actually even more time consuming and "hardcore" than PoE.

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Redwings1234 wrote:

Money and a giant dev team SURELY make games amazing. I mean, look at all the amazing games produced by these very lucrative companies...oh wait, the games are all shit.

No thanks.

Money and a bad/greedy company is the worst combo ever. Money and good indie developers, with good managers such as Chris proved himself to be are the BEST combo ever.

And no, "hardcore" players, nobody tries to "take the game away" from you. Stop being paranoid.

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gh0un wrote:

Its not outdated, the reintroduction of a game design that was completely void of an exp penalty on death, that is outdated: Diablo 3.

Having an exp penalty on death prevents several terrible things that can happen in ARPGs:
Lack of a sense of progress.
If there is no exp penalty on death, then you can easily focus on gear that makes your character run faster, and kill stuff faster, without actually having to worry about other affixes that the game has to offer.
These two things on their own are easily obtainable on items in PoE, and it was also easily obtainable on items in Diablo 3.
This is the reason why the best gear to actually level with in Diablo 3 (for monks for example) was gear that was rather cheaply obtainable: it had a lot of movespeed and tons of damage, two easily obtainable affixes on any given item.

Once you have that set of gear, you basically already have the best gear in the game.
Now all that is left to do is grind towards level 100 (paragon level 100) without ever having to change your gear again.
There is a complete lack of item progress if you can easily get the best farming gear that early on.

Having to also worry about survivability, adds great depth to the itemization process, and makes the best farming gear in the game rather hard to obtain, since it will have to have a combination of several different affixes to be a good farming item.
This way you will always have some kind of item progression while leveling up, since you can always find an item upgrade that makes your farming process safer or faster, of which both benefit your farming speed.

Without an exp penalty, PoE would die off as fast as Diablo 3, because grinding the same area for months, without ever feeling the need for an item upgrade, would make things utterly boring.

Another good thing it does, it prevents noobs from leveling at the same rate as actual good players.
Even if you copy the build, you cant just faceroll maps in this game, except if you know what you are doing and with whom you are partying with.
Bad players will keep dying and naturally be lower ranked on the ladder than better players, exactly how a good ladder should look like.

Its obnoxious if you die on level 80+, but if you die at that stage, then you are probably at fault, whether it is bad skillbuild or bad gameplay doesnt matter.

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

You said that the Hardcore players, aka: the crowd that the company is focusing on, is the minority and if they aren't then they should be. Then you say they shouldn't give a fuck to what you propose to be the "minority". You want them to ditch catering to the crowd they have chosen to cater to and instead hope they'll stick around while making the game less and less for the hardcore.

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Undon3 wrote:

I never proposed the devs should ditch the hardcore audience. I am however proposing that devs offer content in a personalised way, to accommodate the realities of a very successful Open Beta: huge influx of players of different backgrounds and at different levels of "hardcoreness".