RNG is good.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

RNG is more than good. It's the absolute cornerstone of every ARPG, ever. Arguably, every RPG ever...

Don't blame RNG. Blame those who decide the value of whatever that number might turn out to be. Blame them because unlike the roll of the dice, *they're in control*.

@johnKeys

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johnKeys wrote:

It has to be something rarer then that like a plus dropped me 10 Exalts, which may be completely worthless as orbs in the "crafting" system PoE has, but are sure as hell good dollar bills for that filthy disgusting black market you so adore as "the holy PoE economy".

that means I'm soooo much more hardcore than you, Scrotie.
hell, it even means I'm a better player than you, because I used that random stuff to randomly get past all the random gear-checks, randomly dropping +2 maps all the way up to randomly passing all your characters on the grand ladder of skill and courage.
and obviously, I have more shinies.

killed 2 Caligas and got nothing, huh? GG man :)


now, do you finally get the point I'm trying to make?


as for that last remark of yours, I find it insulting.
you of all people should know not to imply I'm entitled, or want immediate rewards with zero effort.
on the contrary.

I'm not pushing that "submit" button 4 fucking thousand times because I get Chaos Orbs out of it.
I do, because I care about the game and the direction it is taking.
maybe I shouldn't.

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johnKeys wrote:

@Psyborg and Scrotie, a road that leads nowhere, is a road where you'll eventually get stuck in the middle of nowhere - because you ran out of fuel.

and then you'll end up looking like this

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

RNG is more than good. It's the absolute cornerstone of every ARPG, ever. Arguably, every RPG ever. And beyond that, any game that involves dice or card drawing.

That which people call 'RNG' when they cry 'unfair!' is not the RNG, but the value of the number generated as determined by a completely NOT random table. They're ultimately blaming a symptom for the disease.

And while GGG did provide medicine for the disease, they gave absolutely no indication as to what the medicine might do. They didn't even provide a list of side-effects: we had to craft, craft and craft to see those. To this day we have NO FUCKING IDEA what will happen when we take the next pill other than quite a few things and apparently they're all 'possible'.

...It all seems so fucking random, thus the blame falls to RNG. Don't blame RNG. Blame those who decide the value of whatever that number might turn out to be. Blame them because unlike the roll of the dice, *they're in control*.

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I think you just cherry picked good parts of RNG and turned a blind eye to real parts causing problems with it such as;

• I haven't read Lyralei's thread on map management, or if I have I just don't feel like applying the concepts. I blame RNG for this.
• Atziri fragments force farming pointlessly low content. This has nothing to do with RNG — if the chances were 100% it'd still be forcing pointlessly low content — but I felt like derailing the thread.
• Crafting doesn't give you a sense of progression from zero to success. This has nothing to do with RNG — if there was a 1500 Fusing for 6L formula, there would still be no progress until 1500 Fusings were amassed — but I felt like derailing the thread. Also by "crafting" I mean trying to link items, because if I was talking about affixes I'd have to acknowledge the existence of Eternals.
• Barrels provide reward with zero risk. This has nothing to do with RNG — even if barrels always dropped an Orb of Transmutation, the principle would still apply — but I felt like derailing the thread.
• Barrels provide reward with zero risk. Oh, and by barrels, I mean stupid zombies which still pose zero threat. I mostly just felt like listing this one twice.

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Sisal wrote:

What many of you described isn't ARPG, extensive RNG based gameplay is field of Rogue-likes. While Rogue-like is based around short play sessions (~ several minutes) and majority of play sessions ending by defeat of player, since it's genre raised from the ashes of coin-ops. That's the exact genre where extensive randomness belongs, ARPG should be based around well tailored pseudo-random distribution model.
Since PoE is build like Rogue-like, it's forced to use Rogue-like gameplay elements (one-shot mechanics etc.), which thanks to the mentioned long gameplay sessions favors those on the positive side of "RNG curve", while it ultimately turns those on negative side away from the game.