Crafting improvements in next mini expansion

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SL4Y3R wrote:

If you want a cheap 6L, get a tabula rasa. The cost should be associated with the links and nothing else

What's the logic behind this?

Is a 6l shav of the same value with a random ilevel 50 chest?

Isn't there a Suffix mod on the Strongbox, "of Unity" - Dropped items are fully linked?

Can we get a Unity Orb which does the same job? Use it on a 4-socket you get a 4L, 5S for 5L, and 6S for 6L.

Considering a regular 6L chest or 2H weapon, without godlike MODs, costs lower than a Mirror but higher than an Exalted, the drop rate of this new Unity Orb can be somewhere between Mirror and EX. And, since nobody will really use the Unity Orb to 3L/4L (or even 5L) gears, the Fusing orb can keep its functionality as is.

Just my 2 cents.

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Isbox1 wrote:

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Hackusations wrote:

While I understand a lot of people wish 6L items were more accessible the fact is their scarcity is an important end-game motivator not to mention makes the reward of finding one that much sweeter.

If they became easier to achieve then not only would it undermine the process of working for end-game goals, but it would severally devalue the 5L market more than it already has.

I've had zero motivation to play since burning through roughly 6k fuses and never once hitting that lottery jackpot.

It's intensely demotivational for me.

Hense why I never play the game now.


And fuck trading.

You'll be back, they always come back *evil grin*

Trading is the only way to go now. I frankly don't understand how people start crafting, knowing what they know, and expect to get a 6L that will cover the costs of the fusings used.

The crafting system really needs fixing.

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MasterAxe wrote:

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sgolemanov wrote:

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How they will do that without flooding endgame with enough items to trivialize the gear hunt is still a mystery.

Can be done easily. If you use improved RNG crafting, the result will have chance to become soulbound( probably with the same chance as the improved RNG ). That way crafting will be improved without flooding the market.

There is no place in this game for soulbound, so you can take that right back to D3, and keep it there. LOL

Eternal orb imprints are account bound.

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Zakaluka wrote:

Fundamentally trading will always be a more efficient path to upgrade than crafting.

If you turn that on its head there will be larger problems afoot. For instance, if let's just talk about rare items. At the core of drop balance, the game needs to give out a lot more random base-type rare items than alchs and chaos orbs.

I doubt you'll see "directed" rolls (e.g. some mechanism for making the mod groupings you want more likely to show up). Why, well, several reasons. First, it's not random anymore if you can influence the affix tables. Second, think about the UI mechanisms involved - it'd be terribly meta, or confusing as hell.

The key to progression in this game is learning how to trade. It's gotten easier. In fact, pretty much everything in this game has gotten easier.

Invasion was and is harder than Nemesis league. Ambush was meant to attract the casual crowd, so yeah that is easier than standard.

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Hackusations wrote:

While I understand a lot of people wish 6L items were more accessible the fact is their scarcity is an important end-game motivator not to mention makes the reward of finding one that much sweeter.

If they became easier to achieve then not only would it undermine the process of working for end-game goals, but it would severally devalue the 5L market more than it already has.

Having RNG being a such decisive factor undermines the process of working hard for end-game goals.

People who aren't stupid use lotteries to bypass the RNG factor.

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Zakaluka wrote:

I doubt you'll see "directed" rolls (e.g. some mechanism for making the mod groupings you want more likely to show up). Why, well, several reasons. First, it's not random anymore if you can influence the affix tables. Second, think about the UI mechanisms involved - it'd be terribly meta, or confusing as hell.

I think directed rolls could work well if they were uncoupled from the one mod at a time idea. The roll should have a few tiers (not top tier or 2) either based on repeated iterations - like move speed with boots - or item level and recipe items used (maybe more orbs)

The key would be that the directed roll also add 2 or more other mods. It would be like a more focussed alch or chaos orb.

For instance, a hypothetical directed recipe for Blood Thirsty prefix for 110-129% increased damage and the Fame suffix for 20-22% attack speed. You put two 20% quality rare weapons (say a corsair sword) of the same type with 110%+ damage and 20%+ attack speed into the vendor window with a stack of chaos orbs, 2 divine orbs and a fusing.

The vendor gives you back a rare corsair sword with 6 affixes. One of the prefixes will be Blood Thirsty for 110-129% damage, and one of the suffixes will be Fame for 20-22% attack speed.

Further, there could be a variation that let you put in everything as above, plus 2 exalted orbs and get back a 5 affix item with the two desired mods (Blood Thirsty and Fame).

Something like this would NOT be cheaper than trading, but it would let players try to craft something good for their character out of items they found that were almost useful because of the mod combinations.

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Zakaluka wrote:

The key to progression in this game is learning how to trade. It's gotten easier. In fact, pretty much everything in this game has gotten easier.

If I farmed XXXX hours to get the orbs and trade for an item, I would be glad to be done with farming, but I wouldn't feel like I had spent my time wisely.

If I spent the same XXXX hours and crafted/chanced/found the item myself, I would be very happy and feel ten times better about the effort.

Yeah - it doesn't make sense efficiency wise, but then again, there are far more productive uses for my time than playing a game.

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tramshed wrote:

The easiest way to make fusing better is to make it so items never end up with less links than they started with. It would be a lot more tolerable if they failed to do anything if they cannot increase the links. Same with socketing. That way you would at least feel like you are working towards something without the one step forward, two steps back problem.

No kidding. I have said the same numerous times in the last 2 years. Using a Jeweler or Fuse and having it destroy your item is crap. Just let it fail. Failing and then having to spend several more orbs to try and get back to status quo leaves a lot to be desired.

I don't really see the problem of allowing this. GGG could keep the odds exactly as they are. What's more, I would say if using a Jeweler no longer results in less sockets/destroyed links on failure, getting an additional socket or sockets, the additional sockets should not get linked. After all, the existing sockets and links are no longer getting destroyed, and Jewelers only add sockets, not links. Let the Fuse do it's job.

what is soul bound ?

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EKTELESTES wrote:

They could have a guaranteed 6l with lets say like 300 fuses

If you allow 300 fuses guaranteed for a 6L, 99% of PoE players are gonna be swimming in 6Ls. Basically, everyone except the laziest players is gonna have several within a week. Within a month, you're gonna see players 6L-ing their Briskwraps and Silverbranches, just because they can.

300 is way, way too low. If you want guaranteed, my guess is that it would have to be over a 1k fusings, easily over 1k.

You know what could be a useful improvement? 20 scraps in 1-mouse-click. Higher scraps/stones drop rate. Fusings never breaking existing links. Every next fusing has very, very slightly higher chance. All of this would help, and it would also encourage players to go for it and try to link their gear.