Garena is adding skill tree resets as a micro transaction in 1.1.3. Thoughts?

I'm mostly surprised that Garena didn't do this sooner.
They're Garena... this is what they do.
It's what everyone knew was going to happen the second it was announced.

I know the whole "slippery slope" opinion but some people are acting like GGG just started selling every currency item in the mtx store. It's a far shot from Garena selling skill resets in a licensed version not run by GGG.

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DentaGram wrote:

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adania wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

Difference is, unlike you, I'm not a bitter hanger-on, making passive-aggressive posts about withholding support, when it has become clear that such support already would not be forthcoming.

And I'm not being self-righteous; I'm simply losing my patience with such childish postings from people I might expect to know better. Gonna hold your breath until you turn blue? Whatever.

I expect this sort of hostile post from a normal player. But from a moderator? For shame.

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I was going to comment on this but I'll just link this.

I don't think it's a slippery slope. It's a violation of the principles GGG and PoE's reputation is built on. I support with my money because the game's fun AND because it's ethical. It doesn't matter where or who is affected by Pay2Win, it's still Pay2Win in Path of Exile. Absolutely disgusting.

i hv to play in Singapore server, but i would rather not being able to play poe than seeing Garena take over poe. (tinfoil hat?)

is it possible that GGG can kick Garena out of poe...
again. tinfoil hat?

I don't like it, this goes into the same book as the scion to me. Attempting to pander to the lower denominator. A compromise in the integrity of PoE, even if in this case it's not the PoE I'm playing.

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OverUsedChewToy wrote:

I don't think it's a slippery slope. It's a violation of the principles GGG and PoE's reputation is built on. I support with my money because the game's fun AND because it's ethical. It doesn't matter where or who is affected by Pay2Win, it's still Pay2Win in Path of Exile. Absolutely disgusting.

This is how I feel also. However, I am conflicted because logically it does not affect me. GGG broke off a "piece" of PoE and Garena pays them for that piece, completely cut off from the whole. This gives GGG more power to work on the "whole." But what if Garena asks for more concessions like this, steeper ones? I dont know. Maybe its ok because their market has a different culture associated with it. Those players may not be offended by what "their" PoE becomes, this may be what they are used to and even expect, as others have said...and the ones who do not agree may still access the true PoE (and seemingly have since the beginning of Garena's servers).

On paper it sounds ok. But like many others, I cant help but have a negative visceral reaction to it.

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OverUsedChewToy wrote:

I don't think it's a slippery slope. It's a violation of the principles GGG and PoE's reputation is built on. I support with my money because the game's fun AND because it's ethical. It doesn't matter where or who is affected by Pay2Win, it's still Pay2Win in Path of Exile. Absolutely disgusting.

If this is pay-to-win, then so are stash tabs. How many of those did you buy? I have about fifty. As I mentioned elsewhere:

If you feel so strongly about "P2W stuff", then you probably shouldn't have bought stash tabs. They are as much or as little "P2W" as a paid skill tree reset would be.

Stash tabs are optional, since you can "just" maintain multiple accounts (but then transferring items is not trivial), but so would be a paid skill reset (you can just start a new character).

If one is fine, the other is, too. If one is "P2W", so is the other. Actually, it is an easy argument to make that stash tabs provide a greater, more permanent advantage than a paid skill tree reset would be.

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OverUsedChewToy wrote:

I don't think it's a slippery slope. It's a violation of the principles GGG and PoE's reputation is built on. I support with my money because the game's fun AND because it's ethical. It doesn't matter where or who is affected by Pay2Win, it's still Pay2Win in Path of Exile. Absolutely disgusting.

That's exactly the way i see it too:
I never paid very much for PoE (i just don't have that much money to spend on things that are not food) and i would also be lying, if i said that i wasn't also intrigued by the extra stash tabs i got but let's be honest: Those microtransactions are truely VERY expensive and personally i couldn't justify spending that much money only to look a bit nicer in a game or be able to hoard a bit more virtual items.
Whenever i spend money for PoE, i told myself that this is an awesome game that is really completely free and therefore only can survive if people are willing to spend some money to support GGG in offering this great service.
If i spend 20$ for Stash Tabs, that's 5$ for what those tabs are actually worth to me and 15$ because i want to help making all of this possible and because i believe in the concept of free games that survive because they are good enough for people to care...

Those respec MTX don't affect my gameplay but the next time i consider spending some money here, i might just think "Why waste my money on stuff i don't need? Let the lazy people RMT their way to the top and finance my playing..."
Obviously, GGG lost trust in people paying money without any need and moved on to new sources of income.

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Mivo wrote:

stash tabs vs. skill reset

It takes substantially more time to level up a character than it does to make a new account + get on that new account to trade with another account.

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Mivo wrote:

If this is pay-to-win, then so are stash tabs.

Yes indeed, but stash tabs are a few minutes saved per month compared to using mule accounts.
Full respecs are considerably more time for money.

They're both pay2win, but stash tabs are well under most people's acceptable thresholds and paid respecs (especially when orbs of regret exist!) are quite a bit higher than that.