Vaal Double Strike

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soul4hdwn wrote:

what's the letdown? it doesn't have your weapon, so it won't proc. no surprises there.

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Performs two fast attacks on target enemy with your main hand melee weapon, and summons your double for a duration to continuously attack monsters in this fashion.

I guess we have a different interpretation for the word "double".

but thats not how summons work, they don't have your items. only guardian has items and its based on what's given to it. animate weapon too but thats temporary. ranged totem and blink/mirror uses the values of your weapon to do stuff, same for mines and traps. everything that is made by you, isn't you, thus doesn't have your equipment.

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soul4hdwn wrote:

but thats not how summons work, they don't have your items. only guardian has items and its based on what's given to it. animate weapon too but thats temporary. ranged totem and blink/mirror uses the values of your weapon to do stuff, same for mines and traps. everything that is made by you, isn't you, thus doesn't have your equipment.

Pretty much Vaal Double Strike is the black sheep of the group. All the other things you mentioned would proc "on hit" effects.

Ok, my ignorance of summoner related things is showing well.


The double doesn't use my equipment, but it actually does (just the Mjolner). How else would you calculate Vaal Double Strike's DPS?
The double just uses the 1st (maybe just this affix) and 3rd affix and base stats of the Mjolner and no other piece of equipment I'm wearing, correct?


I think what I forgot/confused me was that:

Minions cannot use Skill/Support gems socketed in the weapon being used to summon the minion if any. Mjolner procs socketed lightning skill gems, so it doesn't work with the summoned "double".

What kept me from getting it right was how mirror/blink arrow used with an Infractem bow (arrows always pierce) allowed the clone's arrows to always pierce. The always pierce mod doesn't need a socketed gem to work, unlike the Mjolner.

If I used Vaal Double Strike with a Prismatic Eclipse, would the colored sockets affect my Double's phys damage, attack speed, mana leech, and/or weapon range? Or are sockets of a weapon also ignored? I will test this later if I remember to do so.

Vaal Double Strike + Jack, the Axe (or the other 2 bleed on hit uniques) = your Double makes the target bleed while you use a skill supported by Bloodlust.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Ok, my ignorance of summoner related things is showing well.

The double doesn't use my equipment, but it actually does (just the Mjolner). How else would you calculate Vaal Double Strike's DPS?

The double doesn't technically use any of your equipment - it does use your skill. Just like how a totem uses your skill, which is thus affected by your stats, the Double uses your Vaal Double Strike skill, with your stats.

Kinda a wild question, if the double uses your Vaal Double Strike skill.. If it was linked to cast on melee kill or similar trigger gems could the double trigger these?

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Ok, my ignorance of summoner related things is showing well.

The double doesn't use my equipment, but it actually does (just the Mjolner). How else would you calculate Vaal Double Strike's DPS?

The double doesn't technically use any of your equipment - it does use your skill. Just like how a totem uses your skill, which is thus affected by your stats, the Double uses your Vaal Double Strike skill, with your stats.

Any plans to make it so the double inherits your current buffs as wellas your stats? I know this isn't the case for mirror arrow clones and technically haven't tested it for vaal ds clones, but would assume it's the same.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

The double doesn't technically use any of your equipment - it does use your skill. Just like how a totem uses your skill, which is thus affected by your stats, the Double uses your Vaal Double Strike skill, with your stats.

how do support gems interact with vaal double strike? if the double uses your stats, it would use a theoretical double strike with the support gems it has link to vaal double strike? so something like added fire would increase the double's damage? thanks!

-HeaT