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Feedback Nr1: no more deleting, no more moving threads. No need for moderation. Allow people to vent. Censorship solves absolutely nothing.
You're welcome.
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I don't think that a forum without any moderation would be viable. A forum full of unfettered venting would inhibit players from acquiring any help or information that they were looking for on the forum as well as make it difficult for players to have practical discussions about the game and feedback they may have.
If you have any further suggestions please let us know.
Very well, general discussion without moderation. Every other forum is heavily moderated.
In general discussion, every topic is allowed. So no moving topics.
Sounds fair?
Vote +1 to change Path of Exile to Path of Nerfs.
We hate to say, but ProjectPT was right.
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Posted byHyskoaon Jan 24, 2014, 5:05:12 PM
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Feedback Nr1: no more deleting, no more moving threads. No need for moderation. Allow people to vent. Censorship solves absolutely nothing.
You're welcome.
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I don't think that a forum without any moderation would be viable. A forum full of unfettered venting would inhibit players from acquiring any help or information that they were looking for on the forum as well as make it difficult for players to have practical discussions about the game and feedback they may have.
If you have any further suggestions please let us know.
Very well, general discussion without moderation. Every other forum is heavily moderated.
In general discussion, every topic is allowed. So no moving topics.
Sounds fair?
It's an interesting idea. However, if every topic was permitted to be posted there then it would somewhat render the other indexes redundant.
It's important to have separate indexes for a few reasons. The main reasons being that it makes it more accessible to players who are seeking particular information or assistance, and also so that the development team are able to quickly find feedback/issues that pertain to their job roles.
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Posted byBex_GGGon Jan 24, 2014, 5:08:18 PMGrinding Gear Games
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The OP's argument is that, because he said a thing was "retarded" it is not the same as calling someone who doesn't see the point he is making "a retard".
"I don't think you are an arsehole, I'm just saying you act like an arsehole."
Now, let's see if my statement gets modded. I'm almost hoping it does, in order to prove my point.
You're talking about a person in your example, he was speaking about a feature.
I don't know why people are resorting to such unfair arguments. In my example I am clearly not talking about any specific person but a game feature. Yet in this thread people are making arguments against me like I was insulting someone. I don't get it.
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Posted byiamstrykeron Jan 24, 2014, 5:12:19 PM
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It's an interesting idea. However, if every topic was permitted to be posted there then it would somewhat render the other indexes redundant.
It's important to have separate indexes for a few reasons. The main reasons being that it makes it more accessible to players who are seeking particular information or assistance, and also so that the development team are able to quickly find feedback/issues that pertain to their job roles.
Fair enough, how about this. If a conversation has run it's course in general discussion, and is civilised, it gets copied to the correct subforum as a source of information for new players.
You also get a warning when visiting general discussion as a new user that the forum is for general discussion and is unmoderated. That, if they seek specific information, they need to consult the specific directory.
Vote +1 to change Path of Exile to Path of Nerfs.
We hate to say, but ProjectPT was right.
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Posted byHyskoaon Jan 24, 2014, 5:12:29 PM
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It's an interesting idea. However, if every topic was permitted to be posted there then it would somewhat render the other indexes redundant.
It's important to have separate indexes for a few reasons. The main reasons being that it makes it more accessible to players who are seeking particular information or assistance, and also so that the development team are able to quickly find feedback/issues that pertain to their job roles.
Fair enough, how about this. If a conversation has run it's course in general discussion, and is civilised, it gets copied to the correct subforum as a source of information for new players.
You also get a warning when visiting general discussion as a new user that the forum is for general discussion and is unmoderated. That, if they seek specific information, they need to consult the specific directory.
I can see where you're coming from. The issue we run into with offering any kind of unmoderated sub-forum or index is that there would inevitably be some kind of moderation that is required. Since the game is currently under an R16 rating by New Zealand Censorship Standards, this means that we could not permit any R18 content on the forums, such as pornography and other explicit content.
Even if we were to permit hateful comments or personal attacks in a specific allocated forum, it would still need to be moderated and could not be offered as a truly unmoderated section.
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Posted byBex_GGGon Jan 24, 2014, 5:19:56 PMGrinding Gear Games
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It's an interesting idea. However, if every topic was permitted to be posted there then it would somewhat render the other indexes redundant.
It's important to have separate indexes for a few reasons. The main reasons being that it makes it more accessible to players who are seeking particular information or assistance, and also so that the development team are able to quickly find feedback/issues that pertain to their job roles.
Fair enough, how about this. If a conversation has run it's course in general discussion, and is civilised, it gets copied to the correct subforum as a source of information for new players.
You also get a warning when visiting general discussion as a new user that the forum is for general discussion and is unmoderated. That, if they seek specific information, they need to consult the specific directory.
I can see where you're coming from. The issue we run into with offering any kind of unmoderated sub-forum or index is that there would inevitably be some kind of moderation that is required. Since the game is currently under an R16 rating by New Zealand Censorship Standards, this means that we could not permit any R18 content on the forums, such as pornography and other explicit content.
Even if we were to permit hateful comments or personal attacks in a specific allocated forum, it would still need to be moderated and could not be offered as a truly unmoderated section.
What specifically can't be shown under the R16 rating? Is there a generalised list somewhere?
Vote +1 to change Path of Exile to Path of Nerfs.
We hate to say, but ProjectPT was right.
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Posted byHyskoaon Jan 24, 2014, 5:21:56 PM
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I would say that globaly the moderation is fine... the only and biggest problem is the fucking ultra division of everything into fucking unvisited and unappealing sub-forums
remove stupid subforums like Suggestion and leave it to General and let it be ruled by the Internet law of Reply/Bump
half of GGG determined suggestions arent suggestions and 90% of people "so called" suggestions are only ideas and aspect of the game that people want to discuss around
ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
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Posted bySexcalibureon Jan 24, 2014, 5:26:58 PMOn Probation
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I'm going talk about something that just happened after one of my posts. I'm not mad or anything I just want to pose the question and see what other players think. I would e-mail support if I thought it was a big deal but its just something that I will adjust to in the future.
Here's what happened:
I posted in a thread about summoner snap-shotting. A poster in that thread said that it was intended. I responded simply "Its not intended, that would be retarded". I very quickly got a PM that my post had been changed. The words "That would be retarded" had been removed. When I questioned the mod he said that due to their new policy my post had been changed because it was not civil and constructive.
I'm surprised how strict they are being. Does everyone think this is cool now or is this being far too strict? I'm not even sure how to feel about it.
I think there's big difference between " that would be retarded" and " you are retarded to believe that". The first attacks the idea, the second is shows hate for the person. Of course I haven't seen your whole post and maybe what you wrote before and/or after highly insinuates that the other person was retarded.
It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it.
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Posted byBaskervilleon Jan 24, 2014, 5:33:11 PM
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I think there's big difference between " that would be retarded" and " you are retarded to believe that". The first attacks the idea, the second is shows hate for the person. Of course I haven't seen your whole post and maybe what you wrote before and/or after highly insinuates that the other person was retarded.
It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it.
What I wrote in the OP was all of it. The entire post was "Its not intended, That would be retarded".
I think the mod looked at it as criticism of the devs however I wasn't even referring to the devs because I do not believe that they have ever intended for snap-shotting to be a game play feature. I think they are just allowing it for now until they can figure out how to eliminate it.
I guess the moral of the story is don't ever just say that any feature or game design decision is dumb. You need to explain it in detail every time.
Edit: I personally think that Charans post above this one is far worse than the one in my OP. But thats just me.
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Posted byiamstrykeron Jan 24, 2014, 5:37:56 PM
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I would say that globaly the moderation is fine... the only and biggest problem is the ultra division of everything into unvisited and unappealing sub-forums
remove stupid subforums like Suggestion and leave it to General and let it be ruled by the Internet law of Reply/Bump
half of GGG determined suggestions arent suggestions and 90% of people "so called" suggestions are only ideas and aspect of the game that people want to discuss around
Earlier in this thread I have outlined a few of the reasons why these types of separate indexes are necessary. We try to encourage users to utilize these sections so that the sections are working effectively. You may notice that the new forum indexes reflects this as well.
It's also a cyclic issue. If more users post in General Discussion, fewer people visit the other indexes. If fewer people visit other indexes, then more users posts in General.
We try to vigilantly move posts to more appropriate sections to continue their usage and to make sure information is in its appropriate place. Please be mindful that the description on General Discussion states that it is for thread topics that are related to Path of Exile but have no more appropriate index.
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