New Chisel Recipe is Lame

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Moosifer wrote:

Ever think he posts against his personal feelings to balance out the ridiculous opinions thrown around this forum all the time?

I do that pretty often, and get flak for it. Taking the opportunity to disagree with yourself is important if you want to develop a well-formed and thorough opinion of anything.

Now I try to take care to post my actual opinion underneath in parentheses whenever I make such a post.

I love playing devils advocate. Anyone who can't properly defend their opinion has no reason to have it.

Did you ever consider that the recipe isn't supposed to be a completely easy way to get chisels?

Of course it's not going to be the most common drop to do the recipe. It's just additional help to make getting chisels easier.

Whats the problem with the recipe? I don't get it

You can every level spam all 3*3 of the vendors to check if they have a stone hammer.

In addition they do drop occasionally.

And it provides something for me to pickup/hoard/maybesell in future when I do my alt rerolls, try rerolling and just keep your eye out for them, they will drop.


This is what people wanted, and it fits the bill. Its a recipe that allows you to get chisels (cause vendoring 40% qual worth of maps is stupid), while also not making it super super easy, so you won't actually be rolling in chisels

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Whats the problem with the recipe? I don't get it

You can every level spam all 3*3 of the vendors to check if they have a stone hammer.

In addition they do drop occasionally.

And it provides something for me to pickup/hoard/maybesell in future when I do my alt rerolls, try rerolling and just keep your eye out for them, they will drop.


This is what people wanted, and it fits the bill. Its a recipe that allows you to get chisels (cause vendoring 40% qual worth of maps is stupid), while also not making it super super easy, so you won't actually be rolling in chisels

Because of how level restrictions work on vendors stone hammers only come from act 1-2 norm vendors (I checked all 10ish of my toons last night). As vendors only reset every time you level and the most hammers I got from vendors were 3. As you get deeper into maps, needing more chisels, leveling less often, you won't be able to use the recipe as often. It's a good jump start into maps if you stay on top of checking vendors every level but once you are in maps for a while it's less reliable than the current chisel recipe which no one really uses now anyways.

@Moosifer It's not supposed to be a reliable recipe. It's just supposed to be something extra to boost chisel rates. Stone hammers do drop in maps believe it or not.

I disagree on it being less reliable than the current recipe. I can't see how that's possible.

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kasub wrote:

@Moosifer It's not supposed to be a reliable recipe. It's just supposed to be something extra to boost chisel rates. Stone hammers do drop in maps believe it or not.

I disagree on it being less reliable than the current recipe. I can't see how that's possible.

Because neither vendor recipe holds a candle to just farming for chisels directly let alone buying them through trades?... not in time invested or cost and that renders it something pretty much no live player will go out of their way to actually use.


and really what is the point in adding stuff that no one wants to use because it is better to avoid using it at all for them in the long run?


This almost seems more of a incidental 'what the heck, why not' method instead of something intentionally used.

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Jiero wrote:

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kasub wrote:

@Moosifer It's not supposed to be a reliable recipe. It's just supposed to be something extra to boost chisel rates. Stone hammers do drop in maps believe it or not.

I disagree on it being less reliable than the current recipe. I can't see how that's possible.

Because neither vendor recipe holds a candle to just farming for chisels directly let alone buying them through trades?... not in time invested or cost and that renders it something pretty much no live player will go out of their way to actually use.


and really what is the point in adding stuff that no one wants to use because it is better to avoid using it at all for them in the long run?


This almost seems more of a incidental 'what the heck, why not' method instead of something intentionally used.

Why does it have to compete with other ways of getting chisels? It's just an extra income of chisels over previously.

Why is it better to avoid using it? Simply pick up stone hammers you find and get free chisels.

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kasub wrote:

Why does it have to compete with other ways of getting chisels? It's just an extra income of chisels over previously.

Why is it better to avoid using it? Simply pick up stone hammers you find and get free chisels.

Because it isn't a free chisel, it comes so at the cost of a item (stone hammer) and the whetstones needed to make it 20%. At that point it becomes cheaper to just trade for them en masse or farm a higher level area to get chisels to drop directly.


And because of that it is less of a useful recipe and more something that only really gets used because you just happened to run into a white quality stone hammer (and the whetstones along the way).... something that increased item quality makes more rare then the chisels themselves, and rare stone hammers will make this far more costly over just buying them. And that will add practically nothing to your overall chisel count.


So if this adds less then 1% to your total chisel count AND costs more then just farming or trading for them... can you really count that as something that matters even slightly?

Run a ton of quantity

Run through Forest twice

6 inventories full of stone hammers

Maybe it'll dilute the market, but I rarely see anyone trading chisels.