Here's a couple of maybe noobish questions about the build.
For Chain, why doesn't level matter? To me, it seems that a lvl 20 chain gem (38% increased damage) is about as good as adding a lvl 20 added fire gem to a lvl 1 chain.
Also, do we just not care about resists? None of OP's elemental resists are capped, and that seems really dangerous, especially with a Lightning Coil. Also, with the gear shown his chaos resist is at minimum, -60%. Is this alright because the insane leech makes up for being so squishy?
increased is additive, not multiplicative. it still does matter though, considering we only get around 150-200% increased from other sources, so level 20 chain is still at least 13% more dps than a level 1
we do care about res. most of the people following the original guide to the letter are having survivability issues, since it was never designed for extreme circumstances. tailor the build for yourself to a balance of offense/defense that you're comfortable with. bars's 5l voll's version has had a lot of success solo mapping, and my all rares version has ran through and survived many rip maps in parties
Here's a couple of maybe noobish questions about the build.
For Chain, why doesn't level matter? To me, it seems that a lvl 20 chain gem (38% increased damage) is about as good as adding a lvl 20 added fire gem to a lvl 1 chain.
Also, do we just not care about resists? None of OP's elemental resists are capped, and that seems really dangerous, especially with a Lightning Coil. Also, with the gear shown his chaos resist is at minimum, -60%. Is this alright because the insane leech makes up for being so squishy?
increased is additive, not multiplicative. it still does matter though, considering we only get around 150-200% increased from other sources, so level 20 chain is still at least 13% more dps than a level 1
we do care about res. most of the people following the original guide to the letter are having survivability issues, since it was never designed for extreme circumstances. tailor the build for yourself to a balance of offense/defense that you're comfortable with. bars's 5l voll's version has had a lot of success solo mapping, and my all rares version has ran through and survived many rip maps in parties
great news! just tested my standard coc barrage. still unphased by phys reflect map, though I only got to test up to phys + ele + vuln. game trolled me and wouldn't give me a phys reflect rare..........upon retrospect I really should've just gone suicide mode and slapped crit weakness on some packs to simulate it, but too late now
still, couldn't outdps my own life leech regen, even after the major LL nerf. and that's huge. guess my variant won't need tweaking! =3
also why put Enduring cry on level 3, when level 1 procs more? then you can have molten shell on lvl 3?
It wont proc more becouse of the cooldown. "Cast when Damage Taken has a cooldown of 250ms, or the linked skill's cooldown, whichever is longer."
And Enduring Cry has 4 seconds cooldown.
also if i only have access to 1 cwdt atm, what link should i do?
I tested diferent CWDT setups in last few deys and what works best for me is:
Cwdt(lvl1) - Enduring Cry(lvl 5) - Immortal Call (lvl 3) - Enfeeble (lvl 5)
Tested Molten shell a lot and I dont know why ppl like it in low level CWDT setup. The armor boost is barely noticable. It adds around 2% to physical damage mitigation only. It looks cool tho ;P
Immortal call on the other hand is great against spike damage. It saved me so many times. Decoy totem is decent as well, but it just dies instantly
But thats just my prsonall opinion. As Bars said, its best to test diferent things on your own and use what works best for you personally.
doesn't immortal call only last for like 2 seconds when you link it with enduring cry + cwdt?
suppose i have 2 cwdt gems. Set up like bars ..... in a 4 link and a 3 link respectively.
How would you go about that? i think having EC on a lower cwdt and IC on a higher one would result in better and longer physical immunity no?
Everyone's got different philosophies. Mine is you shouldn't be getting hit all the time, so there's no reason to set the threshold so low. When it goes off, I want it to count. So like when I run into a Physical Reflect, flask to absorb enough of the first hit to not 1-shot myself and then use the invulnerability time to do what you need to. Why don't you go run around with various setups and see what you like?
@FAMO: Tested switching Chain out for Pierce today. There's not a good way to make it work. High damage is a death sentence because you can't control what it hits. And gimping damage to make it work is counterproductive.
If you can sustain the mana, it's a permanent reduction in physical and fire damage taken.
I would actually recommend casting it manually so you can turn it on and off, but I like having it on all the time and forget to cast it, so that's why it's on my CwDT. :)
did you put mana leech in your gem set up? or you leech from you barrage physical dmg? (which is none?)
also why put Enduring cry on level 3, when level 1 procs more? then you can have molten shell on lvl 3?
It wont proc more becouse of the cooldown. "Cast when Damage Taken has a cooldown of 250ms, or the linked skill's cooldown, whichever is longer."
And Enduring Cry has 4 seconds cooldown.
also if i only have access to 1 cwdt atm, what link should i do?
I tested diferent CWDT setups in last few deys and what works best for me is:
Cwdt(lvl1) - Enduring Cry(lvl 5) - Immortal Call (lvl 3) - Enfeeble (lvl 5)
Tested Molten shell a lot and I dont know why ppl like it in low level CWDT setup. The armor boost is barely noticable. It adds around 2% to physical damage mitigation only. It looks cool tho ;P
Immortal call on the other hand is great against spike damage. It saved me so many times. Decoy totem is decent as well, but it just dies instantly
But thats just my prsonall opinion. As Bars said, its best to test diferent things on your own and use what works best for you personally.
doesn't immortal call only last for like 2 seconds when you link it with enduring cry + cwdt?
suppose i have 2 cwdt gems. Set up like bars ..... in a 4 link and a 3 link respectively.
How would you go about that? i think having EC on a lower cwdt and IC on a higher one would result in better and longer physical immunity no?
please let me know :)
low cwdt ec and high cwdt IC is a melee setup, for facetanking with end charges and bailing you out with ic only when you're in real danger
low cwdt ec ic is strictly for anti burst reflect and helping against stunlock, not for damage mitigation
Everyone's got different philosophies. Mine is you shouldn't be getting hit all the time, so there's no reason to set the threshold so low. When it goes off, I want it to count. So like when I run into a Physical Reflect, flask to absorb enough of the first hit to not 1-shot myself and then use the invulnerability time to do what you need to. Why don't you go run around with various setups and see what you like?
I have on other characters, and played with 2 cwdt (in fact i have 3 just for testing)
however they are melee characters like what bos said in the post before mine, and its usage is ultimately different.
With all that in mind, Molten shell is doing its job atm, will try and add in immortal call to see how that works and play around.
I would want to use 2 cwdt (one on wand + one in boots) for some real fun and increased survivability. Its not that i do not want to test things, im just open and curious as to what you guys might have tried for this build .... maybe i'd never have thought of it... especially since this is my first caster coc character.
newly crafted item for this build on standard. special thanks to Bars for his advice.
Any idea which mod to get on the last prefix guys?
i took crit multi and spell crit chance due to the fact accuracy and faster projectile can be achieve more easily from accessory, gem and node.
damage + acc for the acc is about as good as it gets on prefix
personally would've taken ias over spell crit chance though
We talked about that and I told him that IAS, particularly on a 1.50 attacks per second wand, is a bit of a double-edged sword because it may lead to mana management issues. And, IMO, IAS isn't that important, the attack speed is enough as it is.
Great wand man, you aren't joking around when you craft :)
I think running with two of these will definitely require a CwdT - Immortal Call setup to deal with reflect though :D
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