[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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vixien wrote:

But your drop rates aren't penalized.

There isn't a -50% IIR for playing solo found.

There are bonuses for partying for every single party member adding massive free amounts of IIR.

If you don't want to have interaction or trade with other players then don't compare yourself to OTHER plays who trade/party and have the obvious benefits of doing so.

This is the problem with solo found players, they want to cry about how it's unfair when by logic, there is NO way you will have an "easier" time verses a group of players collaborating with one another.

It does not matter if they double the drop rates and you find 2 out of the 1000 GG items in the game. Your still going to complain because the player that found the 1 GG out of 1000 items can trade the 999 other players with 1 GG out of 1000 items to get exactly what he wants.

If the game is balanced around economy, it means drop rates are balanced around it. Drop rates are not balanced around player. If the drop rates are not balanced around player, it means the core gameplay is punishment for self found players that don't want to trade. You can not have game that has good balance around economy and good balance around self found players, it just is impossible to make in same league.


You can read a proof in other thread where person that did not trade and played for more than 300h and didnt even get to 70 lvl maps

The drop rates are penalized by default in the game. You get normal loot progression only if you trade, because the game is balanced around it.

What kind of backwards logic is this, how do you come with the core gameplay PUNISHES you for self found players who choose to NOT trade (an benefit to every single thing in existence including real life). Your punishing yourself for not taking advantage of an benefit of either partying or trading.

You can have a good balance around economy and balance around self found, you can beat the entire game with self-found/crafted gear. Anything after that you can't complain about it taking "longer" to get to extra end game maps because by default TRADING will get you there faster as long with partying.

If you made a self-found league you'll STILL have benefits of trading and partying unless your going to cut them off too, otherwise it's just "increased" drop rates league were you get amazing end game gear much faster.

Also don't get started on RNG. There are players who 6 link items in like 5 fusings and people who have maps rain from the sky for them, RNG is RNG.

Also why do self found players say "normal loot progression". Normal loot progression is being able to beat the game in self-found loot/crafted gear. Not when you start end game 68+ maps you find a upgrade every single run and you find best in slot items every day and then after the 11th day when you max out every single slot you complain the game is to ez.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

What kind of backwards logic is this

it's what many players are all about now : I'm playing a game designed according to what the devs want the game to be. I don't like it, and if the game is not like I want to, it's badly designed, so I'm whining on the official forums to have what I want.

Never said it was badly designed. There are different leagues for different types of players. Why can't we have our own league too?

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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What kind of backwards logic is this, how do you come with the core gameplay PUNISHES you for self found players who choose to NOT trade (an benefit to every single thing in existence including real life). Your punishing yourself for not taking advantage of an benefit of either partying or trading.

You can have a good balance around economy and balance around self found, you can beat the entire game with self-found/crafted gear. Anything after that you can't complain about it taking "longer" to get to extra end game maps because by default TRADING will get you there faster as long with partying.

If you made a self-found league you'll STILL have benefits of trading and partying unless your going to cut them off too, otherwise it's just "increased" drop rates league were you get amazing end game gear much faster.[/quote]

Backward logic? This game is simply not balanced for self found person.

If you know how economy works in this game, you would know that you can not have both things, and you do not have both things. You can beat any game self found, even in d3, if you farm for 300h. What did people complained about in d3? Balance around ah and rmha and need to buy items or farm like a idiot to finish the game. Same shit here. Same shit thye said in d3, Ah is only benefit, bonus, see where blizzard is now.

Self found league will not have any trading, it will not have a economy. The drop rates would be balanced around you, as it should be.

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vixien wrote:

Never said it was badly designed. There are different leagues for different types of players. Why can't we have our own league too?

Because people are blind as shit. They dont understand what that option would mean for so many players.

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miljan wrote:

Backward logic? This game is simply not balanced for self found person.

If you know how economy works in this game, you would know that you can not have both things, and you do not have both things. You can beat any game self found, even in d3, if you farm for 300h. What did people complained about in d3? Balance around ah and rmha and need to buy items or farm like a idiot to finish the game. Same shit here. Same shit thye said in d3, Ah is only benefit, bonus, see where blizzard is now.

Self found league will not have any trading, it will not have a economy. The drop rates would be balanced around you, as it should be.

How is it imbalanced for self found person?

You still find plenty of legendaries that you can use for many builds.

You can still find constant upgrades.

You can beat the entire game, get 4 links and craft without nobody else. You don't even need to farm for 300 hours to beat the entire game in PoE.

The problem with D3 is that their itemization completely sucked and you have to find exact X gear with the X same combinations of stats that everybody used with too many useless affixs that roll on items with nothing creative about them.

I don't understand this "balanced" for a self found person.

There is no "balance" for a self found person because every single self found person has different expectations of exactly how they want the game to be. How are they going to make a self-found league that every single self found person that would be happy with?

This is what "self" found players don't understand, there isn't a magical fix that makes the game exactly how all of you each special snowflakes want the game to be.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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miljan wrote:

Backward logic? This game is simply not balanced for self found person.

If you know how economy works in this game, you would know that you can not have both things, and you do not have both things. You can beat any game self found, even in d3, if you farm for 300h. What did people complained about in d3? Balance around ah and rmha and need to buy items or farm like a idiot to finish the game. Same shit here. Same shit thye said in d3, Ah is only benefit, bonus, see where blizzard is now.

Self found league will not have any trading, it will not have a economy. The drop rates would be balanced around you, as it should be.

How is it imbalanced for self found person?

You still find plenty of legendaries that you can use for many builds.

You can still find constant upgrades.

You can beat the entire game, get 4 links and craft without nobody else. You don't even need to farm for 300 hours to beat the entire game in PoE.

The problem with D3 is that their itemization completely sucked and you have to find exact X gear with the X same combinations of stats that everybody used with too many useless affixs that roll on items with nothing creative about them.

I don't understand this "balanced" for a self found person.

There is no "balance" for a self found person because every single self found person has different expectations of exactly how they want the game to be. How are they going to make a self-found league that every single self found person that would be happy with?

This is what "self" found players don't understand, there isn't a magical fix that makes the game exactly how all of you each special snowflakes want the game to be.

You still found a lot of unique? Lololloll, did you played PoE? How many uniques did you find in first two dif? 2, 3? xD Or did you find most of your unqiues by farming the last dif?

You can still find constant upgrades? Dont talk crap man, when you hit around level 55 you will need to start to farm areas so you can progress in last dif. You also will need to farm like a bot for maps.

D3 has a lot of problems, but one of them was AH and RMHA. Go search old posts in forum and see what people where saying about drop rates. I mean, you dont remember the complain about drop rates on their forums and bans? You can see same posts in this forum back than.

There is a magic fix, remove economy from the game. When they do that, than they can make the game balanced around self found. Also than they can implement normal crafting and remove bad mechanics that are there only to serve as currency sink so economy doesn't go to shit.

And in the end, what do you have personally against a league like this, where people like me would have fun? Tell me, make point by point list, how will that option have a efect on you, please tell me?

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miljan wrote:

You can still find constant upgrades? Dont talk crap man, when you hit around level 55 you will need to start to farm areas so you can progress in last dif. You also will need to farm like a bot for maps.

That's complete BS : what's wrong with the need to farm the same areas for a certain amount of time to find gear to progress in merciless ? Ragnarok didn't say you find your gear so often that u don't have to grind. You have to grind, that's what is fun in the game. And to farm like a bot for maps ? Just by farming docks from lvl65 to 70 you'll get more than a decent 66 maps pool, and till the early 70 maps it's easy to sustain. The higher tier of maps are really hard to get, but it's supposed to be that way.

I cant really understand why ppl are against a sfl.?
What the hell , I would pay a monthly fee for one..
And it would be the only "fair" ladder..Same conditions for everybody , no shortcuts.
I dont really care about increased droprates etc.A nice bonus would be to have global chat turned on for a change and dont get spammed with whispers reg. rmt and more.
Im pretty convinced that GGG will implement a SFL sooner or later.It will be a "pay to enter" League , but thats allright.
*Will it alter the ingame economy? = No
*Will it draw too much players from the other leagues?=No
*Will GGG loose money by implement a SFL = No(probably the opposite)
*Will it piss off some RMT players/botters/Sites = Hope so.....
*Will it in any way ruin the game for peeps who love to party/trade? = No..
*Will some players who have quit Poe come back? = Yes
*Will Poe have a "true/"fair" ladder? = Yes

Rgds ,
L

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miljan wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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miljan wrote:

Backward logic? This game is simply not balanced for self found person.

If you know how economy works in this game, you would know that you can not have both things, and you do not have both things. You can beat any game self found, even in d3, if you farm for 300h. What did people complained about in d3? Balance around ah and rmha and need to buy items or farm like a idiot to finish the game. Same shit here. Same shit thye said in d3, Ah is only benefit, bonus, see where blizzard is now.

Self found league will not have any trading, it will not have a economy. The drop rates would be balanced around you, as it should be.

How is it imbalanced for self found person?

You still find plenty of legendaries that you can use for many builds.

You can still find constant upgrades.

You can beat the entire game, get 4 links and craft without nobody else. You don't even need to farm for 300 hours to beat the entire game in PoE.

The problem with D3 is that their itemization completely sucked and you have to find exact X gear with the X same combinations of stats that everybody used with too many useless affixs that roll on items with nothing creative about them.

I don't understand this "balanced" for a self found person.

There is no "balance" for a self found person because every single self found person has different expectations of exactly how they want the game to be. How are they going to make a self-found league that every single self found person that would be happy with?

This is what "self" found players don't understand, there isn't a magical fix that makes the game exactly how all of you each special snowflakes want the game to be.

You still found a lot of unique? Lololloll, did you played PoE? How many uniques did you find in first two dif? 2, 3? xD Or did you find most of your unqiues by farming the last dif?

You can still find constant upgrades? Dont talk crap man, when you hit around level 55 you will need to start to farm areas so you can progress in last dif. You also will need to farm like a bot for maps.

D3 has a lot of problems, but one of them was AH and RMHA. Go search old posts in forum and see what people where saying about drop rates. I mean, you dont remember the complain about drop rates on their forums and bans? You can see same posts in this forum back than.

There is a magic fix, remove economy from the game. When they do that, than they can make the game balanced around self found. Also than they can implement normal crafting and remove bad mechanics that are there only to serve as currency sink so economy doesn't go to shit.

And in the end, what do you have personally against a league like this, where people like me would have fun? Tell me, make point by point list, how will that option have a efect on you, please tell me?

Here are all the ones I'm found leveling from 1 to 70 with my marauder before he ripped in maps +another page I gave to my friends that I play with or that I died using to level other alts.

Oh no you have to farm in an ARPG < to do beat the entire game. What is your expectations? The company is not making a single player game, and even in single player games you STILL have to farm for the best stuff.

I have against wasting resources in this league because like I said. They cannot custom craft a league that will perfectly fit how exactly every single "self found" player want the game to be, with how much and fast they want to find items and progress.

People will always complain how they want X drop rate to be, how they want crafting to be, how they powerful they want to be. Guess what GGG cannot make a league that will make you happy, because you won't be designing it.

Oh by the way if you haven't read.

http://www.pathofexile.com/leagues

"Paid leagues"

If you want you can pay GGG to make the league exactly how you want it and then have all of your friends play it.