[Poll] Self Found League - SFL /FINISHED

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majesw wrote:
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iamstryker wrote:
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majesw wrote:
I'm strongly against a SFL league.
I want to be able to give items to friends and help out new players.
I also want to be able to get the items I need for very specific builds.


How in the world did you conclude from this that the game should not have a self found league? I don't think anyone asked that the entire game be trasformed to a SFL lol.


I think both points are strong negatives to a self-found league. Your point is that they could just add a new league. They could indeed. But I think that would really hurt the other leagues and the health of the game... You'll see when Diablo 3's expac comes out... It may sell a lot of copies but if there is no economy to support interest in the game then it will die relatively quick.

A league without an economy is just not a good idea...


Considering that GGG has always intended on adding in more leagues your point is very weak. Also your original two points are only points for YOU to not play self found and not for another league to not be added. Everyone is different and likes different things.
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I also think that a solo, self found league could potentially really separate the men from the boys. It would need to be HC IMO. But obviously your character and the stash would go to void league.
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Last edited by AntonChigur#4612 on Dec 2, 2013, 5:00:36 PM
A. I play basically self found anyway. Any type of improvement for playing self found in a separate league would be welcomed.
It's possible to satisfy almost all of the concerns of those of us who want to play self found without creating a self found league. All GGG would have to do is create a mechanism that would make a character self-found. You could do this by having an entire account be self-found. Or perhaps there's a way to implement it through the skill tree (advantage of the node is that the character gets better orb drops, disadvantage is that the character cannot trade and cannot enter games unless they are solo or permanent allocation.)

Thus, the self found players would play in the existing leagues, and not dilute anything, but their progress would occur independent of the economy. The goal, I think, would be to balance the drops for this sort of player so that they would be slightly to moderately behind what is expected by an average trader. Right now, playing self found is vastly more tedious and time consuming than trading. But the trader has to put in time trading. In the end, I think most self found people would be overjoyed to stay somewhat behind the average trader, so long as there was a better chance to progress than now exists for self found players.

Here's the situation we now find ourself in. Trading is time consuming and unsatisfying. It goes against the grain of what it is to be an exile. Playing self found is tedious and unrewarding as things now stand. It can take self found players years to do what traders now accomplish in months. Moreover, the way things are now set up, it appears that trading is a pre-requisite for getting access to game content. All we want is to be able to play in a way that keeps us out of the economy, but lets us have full access to the game. And we still want it harder than the average trader has it.

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BolshoiToo wrote:
The goal, I think, would be to balance the drops for this sort of player


Once again, why do you need to make the game easier for a SF player ? What is self found ?

Let's say you want to 5L your newly droped awesome astral plate, as a self found player. What does that mean ?
a) farming for those orbs and yellows to get alts all the evening, convert these alts to jewelers than fusings, get those 20 fusings for a few hours played, try to roll your 5L, repeat the next day, maybe the day after, etc. or
b) have more fusings, alts, jewelers and rares droping, get a lot of them and 5L your item in no time, just as if you had trade one of your exalt for fusings, but at least it's "self found" ?

The answer is a).
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Last edited by Morgoth2356#3009 on Dec 2, 2013, 6:29:14 PM
We already had this: it was called SMASH.

Just ask Kripp if you really want it and it will happen: the community self-regulated on that as well.

PS: it was a pretty terrible one week race because of it: oh, you're not a marauder/templar? WELL FUCK YOU AND YOUR AURAS THEN.
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A.

However, playing in a party should not be any different.
It would suck playing with my friend and getting a staff he needs for his build.
A

if its hardcore. dont care otherwise
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The problem with Diablo 3 trading was that it was too easy. Removal of the AH and BoA is too drastic of a change. The expansion will get boring very fast and the same would happen in a PoE self found league. I don't understand why you need a self found league. If you want to play self found, just do it.

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