Let me explain to people how easy it is to do a lottery scam.

It's pretty obvious that this is happening, what you say is absolutely correct. But as the saying goes "a fool an his money are soon parted" , you can't expect to protect the newbs lulz.
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MrSmiley21 wrote:
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Alright, suppose I'm doing a 6L lottery for a random item, ill use this Searing touch as an example.





What you need to do, is get about 8-10 of the same item, with the same rolls/colors. And then each one will have a different link combo. Some items that is easier to do than with others.

And then offer to post the item after every link. Basically you pocket the fusings and then alternate posting between the identical items you have. The more different types of link combos you have for otherwise identical items, the better.

Setup difficulty depends on the item. If someone was to have 10 identical shavvrones except for links, they could basically perma-scam fusings. Then they could use an alt account to play as the "fake winner" of the lottery. That way it doesn't appear to be a lottery that nobody ever wins.


It's up to every person if they're willing to risk/waste their fusings. If you don't believe this, you should be out there in the real world trying to stop lotteries with huge jackpots for scamming people as you're more likely to get hit by lightning than winning that jackpot which is the only price they care to advertise.

Most people are aware of this and view lotteries as a sort of adrenalin injection rather than a good investment. As for the few ignorant people who actually think they have a chance at winning it and spend huge amounts of their limited income on lotteries, well, blame their parents for neglecting to teach them about doing research and thinking critically when they are faced with such obvious contradictions. I.E. Some lotteries can afford to hold huge cash winnings because VERY few people actually win them- and when someone does, they've already earned so much money from the loosing participants that it doesn't really hurt them.

As for people who are willing to donate 300+ fusings to some potential asshole who might have gone out of his way to create several identical items, like many has mentioned before me, there is twitch. If someone is choosing to trust the person who is hosting a lottery, that's their concern and not yours. If someone refuses to pay the winner, it's their item and their currency, again, the person choosing to trust the person who is hosting a lottery needs to take responsibility for their action.

This doesn't mean I think scamming someone is OK- but some people like that sort of thing and GGG can't do shit to stop it even if they wanted to unless they got 200 volunteers that they completely trusted to constantly watch forums and in-game public chats for these individuals, figure out whether they're scamming or not and then take action. This isn't a good solution for anyone.

I do feel for new players getting scammed, it really sucks that someone would take your hard earned currency and fuck you over- but at least they learned something from the experience and can make wiser decisions in the future.
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I hope more people get scammed.
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Anthian wrote:
No i believe this thread is actually quite helpful to help prevent others from being scammed.
We need to teach people to avoid these scams, and the best way to do it is with informing them of what they need to look out for.


Knowledge is Power and power is.. a powerful thing.


+1
sad part is - if few scammers got their accounts wiped to the GROUND this sport would have ended outright

but as it stands now - there is no risk


Actually, the people letting them being scammed : Its your own fault.
Devs always said that this is Wraeclast and such things are a possibility there.
Any player playing poe should be old enough to get such things and execute these few thoughts.
If you gift some fusings to someone, who is not a streamer with 5k people watching at some times, you need to know the risk you are taking.
Its one way to do it,but at the start of this whole scam most didn't even bother doing it.Just give me fusings for this lottery that im doing and that's all.

"Trust me its completely legit ,i gave out prizes i the past :)" because they add a smiley face then its certainly legit....


Its the players fault that they are encouraging these kinds of stuff,either out of stupidity or because they think that 20-60 fuse is nothing,when for a normal player (with non MF build) that sum would only be obtained after tens of hours of playtime.

Seeing people in the trade chat noticing that they have been scammed out of their fusings in a lottery and how the person doesnt respond anymore ,just makes me laugh.
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keta wrote:
Lot of ppl stream when they do a lottery, do a lottery to a guy wich not stream and just link the item its really dumb.

But i dont like lottery if you now lot of ppl you can have 6L for cheap...


Both ways are "dumb", the moment you give away your fusing, the lottery holder can scam you if he wanted to.
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MrSmiley21 wrote:
6L shavs are selling for upwards of 30ex more than a no-linked one. Which leaves you a massive amount of meat on the bone, if you do a lottery to 6L a shavs, winner gets 10ex, and you flip it for 60-70ex. I don't know of anyone who would actually pay 70ex for a 6L shavs, I know I personally wouldn't even though I got the funds and wouldn't mind having one. IMO 6L is worth 10ex more than a non-linked version tops. If not, then I think ill take my chances with 600 fusings.
I truly have difficulty believing people are this stupid.

Having done extensive research on Fusings in the past, the average cost of 6L can reasonably be expected to approximate 900 Fusing. That's what, somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 Exalt? I find it simply incredible that simultaneously some people would overvalue it at 30 while others would undervalue it at 10. Should be +20 Ex, period; the extra +2 is a "you didn't have to deal with potentially brutal RNG" fee.

Which is why, of course, a 10Ex lottery prize is such a smart idea: big enough to entice dumb people, small enough to represent a real savings to the lottery holder.
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MrSmiley21 wrote:
6L shavs are selling for upwards of 30ex more than a no-linked one. Which leaves you a massive amount of meat on the bone, if you do a lottery to 6L a shavs, winner gets 10ex, and you flip it for 60-70ex. I don't know of anyone who would actually pay 70ex for a 6L shavs, I know I personally wouldn't even though I got the funds and wouldn't mind having one. IMO 6L is worth 10ex more than a non-linked version tops. If not, then I think ill take my chances with 600 fusings.
I truly have difficulty believing people are this stupid.

Having done extensive research on Fusings in the past, the average cost of 6L can reasonably be expected to approximate 900 Fusing. That's what, somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 Exalt? I find it simply incredible that simultaneously some people would overvalue it at 30 while others would undervalue it at 10. Should be +20 Ex, period.

Which is why, of course, a 10Ex lottery prize is such a smart idea: big enough to entice dumb people, small enough to represent a real savings to the lottery holder.


I recall a dev post from over a year ago stating that its about a 1 in 333 shot at hitting a 6L. So, yeah its rare enough to where you might hit it with one fusing, or you might spend 3000 fusings, but on average 1 in 333 is going to hold up on long term odds.

Judging on the odds, and the price for fusings to ex, 5 ex = 300 fusings, and 10ex would = 600. With 600 you're much more likely than not to hit a 6L.

To 5L a 6S item, its about 1 in 130 odds. So 200 fusings is a reasonable amount to attempt a 5L with.
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