A disturbing trend (Games are supposed to be hard)
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Man if you been playing for 25 years then you would know that a good game doesn't just hand it over. Surely you were around during the years where games would gather dust on your shelf for years without you ever having finished it because you did NOT have what it takes. Then maybe one day you have a burst of mode and you pick it up, and somehow, you win. Then you're like, fuck you game, I beat you and you can go fuck yourself.
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I guess I don't want to beat PoE and say "fuck you game, I beat you and you can go fuck yourself" and never come back to it again...
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You are probably bad at DotA
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" Thanks for the reference Axebane. Chris's description leaves a large spread of difficulty for a broad spread of players. With the first difficulty level at "with relative ease", and subsequent levels at ever increasing challenge, "becoming a lot harder", then there is something for everyone. This would then leave "reasonable balance" to be squabbled over. :) | |
" GGG's job is to create a system with a massive number of possible builds, where many but not all builds are viable. Your job as a player is to figure out which combination out of all possible ones are both viable and fun. In a non-casual game like PoE, you should not expect fun to be just handed to you on a platter, you have to do your part too! Relevant:
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" Look at my posting history if you want to find out whether I am a troll or not. There are different opinions on what "good game design" is. My opinion is that if any build can beat all content in a game without facing much of a challenge, then build decisions are mostly meaningless. I also believe that game-play is much more rewarding when success is only achieved after many attempts. An easy challenge offers no real satisfaction upon completion, but a very difficult challenge offers a strong feeling of satisfaction upon completion. Game designers used to understand this as a fundamental truth. The earliest games were arcade games, and reaching the highest level was nearly impossible even for the players with excellent hand-eye coordination who had played the game hundreds or even thousands of tries. Those arcade cabinets cost around $2,750 dollars back in the 1980s. That's about $5,863.54 dollars in 2012 dollars due to inflation. Do you think the first video games would have ever paid for themselves at 25 cents per play if all players and all strategies were able to beat all the game content on the first play-through? Last edited by Axebane on Oct 16, 2012, 5:38:28 PM
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" I think the challenge in POE should be learning to make builds work in merciless and then trying out new builds once your done with those. The game doesn't need to be super hard like the tried with D3 inferno. The only way they could make it hard enough was to add in cheap unavoidable damage which is really dumb. I don't necessarily think these games need to be really hard, just interesting and fun. Once you played the game for a little while Diablo 1 was not at all hard, but it was still a ton of fun. IMO the correct way to balance this is to make a game like POE and then provide additional and optional content to challenge the top players. But don't make it so everyone feels obligated to play this content to gear up. Just make it for the challenge. Edit: POE should be challenging enough that some builds just won't be good enough to play the end game. Then that player will have to find out what he/she did wrong and respec or start over. If POE was too hard then we would see some D3 problems creep in. Less and Less builds would be viable and we would see more cookie cutters. Standard Forever Last edited by iamstryker on Oct 16, 2012, 5:51:27 PM
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" Obviously POE is far too big and intricate for every new player to come in, make a character, and be really successful. The fun of the game is learning about it, making an interesting build and eventually succeeding once you have learned enough to make it work. Standard Forever
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