about PvP (simple algorithm). now with proposed solution

if (Player1.gear() > Player2.gear()){
winner(Player1);
}

else {
winner(Player2);
}


maybe I'm being a bit too dramatic here, but I believe the game is based around gear-checks, and PvP will only make matters worse.
the "rich" with OP gear, will own the skilled.
which wouldn't be a problem if (rich == skilled).
it isn't.

before you disagree and flame me, let me ask you a question: how do you plan on beating a player, who has a Voltaxic Rift, a Shavronne's Wrappings, and that "cannot be stunned" amulet, assuming your entire gear is "worth" about as much as his weaker ring?
you're both around the same level btw.

my conclusion is based - in part - on entering Act 2 Normal PvP at level 16, and owning everybody below level 26, just because I had a Goddess Bound or Facebreaker, and they didn't.

I thought for a second that this was supposed to be a ranking system. :D

Ci and 5 grounding potions.

"

johnKeys wrote:

before you disagree and flame me, let me ask you a question: how do you plan on beating a player, who has a Voltaxic Rift, a Shavronne's Wrappings, and that "cannot be stunned" amulet, assuming your entire gear is "worth" about as much as his weaker ring?
you're both around the same level btw.

yeah, but this is the same as saying "i cant beat a fully geared lvl 90 players with the driftwood wand i got on the beach"

No not at all, algortithm is too simple and wrong ;P

there are counter builds, there are only a few op uniques for pvp an d shavrones is none of them. Those uniques are not really expensive. All around 1-3 exalteds, and it wouldnt be the first time that skills/kinds of dmg get an extra nerf for pvp....

i already know some builds which doesnt cost more then the usual gear to be viable on maps (2-3 ex) and which can make atleast a draw in every pvp match (wihtout much skill xD).

wait until the first PVP Tournament before starting QQ threads, i know you dont play atm john, perhaps you are bored and you dont know what to do. usually i like your threads but we dont need threads which cause panic in a populistic way.

Think about PVP builds and try some if you are really bored like this :)

cheers,

"

fsg wrote:

"

johnKeys wrote:

before you disagree and flame me, let me ask you a question: how do you plan on beating a player, who has a Voltaxic Rift, a Shavronne's Wrappings, and that "cannot be stunned" amulet, assuming your entire gear is "worth" about as much as his weaker ring?
you're both around the same level btw.

yeah, but this is the same as saying "i cant beat a fully geared lvl 90 players with the driftwood wand i got on the beach"

can you beat a fully-uber-geared level 70 player, at level 70 (you know what? at level 75) with average self-found/crafted gear for your level, assuming you didn't luck-streak to find the same quality of gear he's using?

that's the real question you should be asking.

the answer - in case you were wondering - is NO.

Yes you can. Atleast a draw is very very possible with not much of "skill" or "op gear".

Sry i know i cant change your opinion but i wont change mine and i did alot of pvp in closed and in open beta, i won very often and i didnt had any OP gear. Besides some jewellery, chris already mentioned as pvp uniques....

Only 2 skills of a bunch to give you an idea why OP gear is not a guarantee for a win in pvp.

Conversion Trap

Or

Tempest shield

(and both in different builds)

and there are some more skills which are underrated in pve...You are saying NO like you are already testing pvp with OP items on the alpha 1.0 realm ;p

Nevermind, you believe what you want. But DONT Panic, OP Gear is not the key to win pvp. OP Builds perhaps, but they will balance them or we will find counter builds...

Excuse my horrible english ;P

that's a very nice theory Wisdorin. counter-builds. cheap PvP gear...
it really is.

but I am 90% confident that someone like GOMI3 ("3k Exalts guy"), can become the undisputed Path Of Exile PvP champion, if he chooses to participate.
the guy probably never played the actual game. the one outside trade chat that is.

in a game where the skilled get screwed PvE if they don't have the gear, they will be screwed twice in PvP - if they don't have the gear.

Well, wasn't that obvious in the first place? This game is all about gear. So it's no surprise that your gear has a major impact on your performance in PvP. Everybody can bring the best items he got and some people will have way better ones than others. There wont be "fair" PvP in a game like PoE.

Just out of curiosity, what are you basing your theories out of, OP?
Did you experiment with different equipment sets in actual PvP combat?

Isn't this topic better placed in Beta PvP Feedback
so it might get the attention of actual PvP interested people and devs?