Cast on Crit

If Cast on Crit worked for spells it would likely be insanely OP. Since you don't have to worry about accuracy at all, and many spells have higher base Crit Chance than most weapons, it's significantly easier to crit with spells than with attacks for the most part* so it would be super easy to chain spells like nobody's business. Ice Spear example as above being a good example.

Totems can be killed, and they can't move, so it's not quite the same as having infinitely chaining Ice Spears that keep going as long as there are targets in sight.


*Obvious exception is Lioneye's, and I think a LA build based on Lioneye's / high crit / cast on crit would be interesting.

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*Obvious exception is Lioneye's, and I think a LA build based on Lioneye's / high crit / cast on crit would be interesting.

Lioneye is no exception, rofl.

Never missing isn't a giant perk.

You can easily get 90% chance to hit with a rare bow, and a rare bow can have 38% more crit chance.

So the comparison is: 100 / 90 = lioneye hits 11% more often

6.9 / 5 = rare bow crits 38% more often

winner: rares

So who is going to actually use this gem as a part of their main attack? The damage from the spell is going to be pitifully weak even if you have loads of projectile nodes. Chris said very clearly most builds would not benefit from this.

You need to devote 2 gem sockets for cast on crit + a spell which will gimp your dps by a ton.

LA+WED+LL+LMP + spell on crit + ice spear?

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Nephalim wrote:

So who is going to actually use this gem as a part of their main attack? The damage from the spell is going to be pitifully weak even if you have loads of projectile nodes. Chris said very clearly most builds would not benefit from this.

You need to devote 2 gem sockets for cast on crit + a spell which will gimp your dps by a ton.

LA+WED+LL+LMP + spell on crit + ice spear?

It's a TRIGGER.

You can just socket spell on crit + ice spear into a different item and any time you crit it will work.

At least that's how the defensive triggers worked. Not sure why offensive ones should be different.

Because when you add a trigger you can't use that attack/spell yourself.

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tikitaki wrote:

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*Obvious exception is Lioneye's, and I think a LA build based on Lioneye's / high crit / cast on crit would be interesting.

Lioneye is no exception, rofl.

Never missing isn't a giant perk.

You can easily get 90% chance to hit with a rare bow, and a rare bow can have 38% more crit chance.

So the comparison is: 100 / 90 = lioneye hits 11% more often

6.9 / 5 = rare bow crits 38% more often

winner: rares

Not going to say that Lionseye's would be better for a crit on hit build, I can't know for sure without testing it, but never missing is actually a giant perk for criticals. Quoted from the mechanics thread:

"Evasion also gives a chance to avoid critical strikes. If an incoming critical strike succeeds its hit roll, a second hit roll is performed to determine if the critical is evaded or not. This second roll is the same as the regular hit roll above (accuracy vs evasion). If this roll succeeds, a critical strike is scored. If it fails, the attack still hits, but only for regular damage."

i personally would find it more interesting to use with bear trap -- assuming it works.

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Drakqt wrote:

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tikitaki wrote:

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*Obvious exception is Lioneye's, and I think a LA build based on Lioneye's / high crit / cast on crit would be interesting.

Lioneye is no exception, rofl.

Never missing isn't a giant perk.

You can easily get 90% chance to hit with a rare bow, and a rare bow can have 38% more crit chance.

So the comparison is: 100 / 90 = lioneye hits 11% more often

6.9 / 5 = rare bow crits 38% more often

winner: rares

Not going to say that Lionseye's would be better for a crit on hit build, I can't know for sure without testing it, but never missing is actually a giant perk for criticals. Quoted from the mechanics thread:

"Evasion also gives a chance to avoid critical strikes. If an incoming critical strike succeeds its hit roll, a second hit roll is performed to determine if the critical is evaded or not. This second roll is the same as the regular hit roll above (accuracy vs evasion). If this roll succeeds, a critical strike is scored. If it fails, the attack still hits, but only for regular damage."

eh.

monsters just don't have enough evasion for this to be relevant.

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Nephalim wrote:

So who is going to actually use this gem as a part of their main attack? The damage from the spell is going to be pitifully weak even if you have loads of projectile nodes. Chris said very clearly most builds would not benefit from this.

You need to devote 2 gem sockets for cast on crit + a spell which will gimp your dps by a ton.

LA+WED+LL+LMP + spell on crit + ice spear?

Was it stated somewhere that the triggers are linked to your primary attack? That wouldn't even make sense. Trigger gems have x% chance to "cast" linked skills when <event> occurs.

In this case I understood that The trigger gem+triggered skill+any supports were in a different weapon/armor, while your prinary skill+links were left alone.

As for usefulness? Crit dagger/sword build with cold snap+inc aoe+conc effect+cast on crit. Adds a nice dps boost and loads of survival. Replace conc with prolif if you don't care about the dps part.

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Kadajko wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

So who is going to actually use this gem as a part of their main attack? The damage from the spell is going to be pitifully weak even if you have loads of projectile nodes. Chris said very clearly most builds would not benefit from this.

You need to devote 2 gem sockets for cast on crit + a spell which will gimp your dps by a ton.

LA+WED+LL+LMP + spell on crit + ice spear?

It's a TRIGGER.

You can just socket spell on crit + ice spear into a different item and any time you crit it will work.

At least that's how the defensive triggers worked. Not sure why offensive ones should be different.

Because when you add a trigger you can't use that attack/spell yourself.

holy crap thats imba and probably going to make auras even less popular and koams far less popular.

Imagine a 6 linked main still backed up by a 6 link cast/curse on crit spell.

this gem will work with power siphon ?