PoE Vs Diablo 3 new expansion

Ah I see, can't argue with that. But that's why I said "seems".

But what's the problem? You can wait for release and first verify that they did what they promised before buying?

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Startkabels wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Tell me startkabels. If two different people get to the paragon level where they have enough points to 50/50 all those stats. What will be the difference between their barbarian other than the gear and the skills (which can be switched at any time)

If? Do you know how long it takes to get 750 paragon points? Also you forget that increased % stats depend on gear

We are not talking about how long it takes. We are talking about the endresult.

And when (not IF because at some point people will get there and they reduced the exp. needed for paragon levels) two people reach that point with their barbarian (for example) you can strip them of their gear and they will be the same.

So

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Startkabels wrote:

Therefor this statement is also false:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

If you made two barbarians. They would be the same.

His statement is true.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

Tell me startkabels. If two different people get to the paragon level where they have enough points to 50/50 all those stats. What will be the difference between their barbarian other than the gear and the skills (which can be switched at any time)

If? Do you know how long it takes to get 750 paragon points? Also you forget that increased % stats depend on gear

We are not talking about how long it takes. We are talking about the endresult.

And when (not IF because at some point people will get there and they reduced the exp. needed for paragon levels) two people reach that point with their barbarian (for example) you can strip them of their gear and they will be the same.

So

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Startkabels wrote:

Therefor this statement is also false:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

If you made two barbarians. They would be the same.

His statement is true.

I am talking about how long it takes, because if it takes forever to get all the available stats with paragon points it would mean that your statement (and also Real_Wolf's) are actually false practically and that is what really matters.

And again you leave the unique gear out as a factor

What will happen practically is that players will focus on stats that are most important for them when using their Paragon Points and so this will actually improve diverseness. The closer players will get to Paragon 750 the less diverse characters of the same level will be. But who knows this can take years?

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Avireyn wrote:

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DijiGo wrote:

Jiminy cricket, why all the fuss?

I'll be buying the expansion, some of you won't. Nothing to prove or not prove. Don't need to hate Blizzard for the rest of my life either. Couldn't be fucked arguing about it anymore.

/later

You know, I don't care if you buy the expansion or not. Tastes are different and all that.
But you stated that you felt cheated by D3, but still would buy RoS because apparently you saw how much better it would be.

And this is just what I don't get. It's not about buying or not buying RoS. Or liking or disliking D3/RoS.
It's about Blizzard doing the same thing they did with D3, and people again falling for it.


And, by the way, you made the statement that your decision of buying RoS is based on evidence of things that have been shown to exist.
Sure you don't have to show that evidence. Just means you have no case to make if you don't.

Further, straw-manning "hating Blizzard for life" just makes it look like a nerve has been struck. Hey, I don't hate Blizzard for life. I just have developed a healthy mistrust towards a company that has repeatedly lied to its customers, me among them.

And I would genuinely like to know why others still trust them blindly. But I don't think I will find any honest answers here.

Alright, I will try to give a satisfactory answer.

Several things that were shown in that video, and discussed in interviews seem "improvements enough" that I think I will enjoy RoS. Honestly, I bought D3 pretty much sight unseen on purpose, because I wanted to be surprised. I had not been following it for years like some.

Anyway, we know how that turned out. Trust? I don't need to trust OR mistrust them; I will look at the feature set again at release. I'll certainly be more careful this time, but people and time have both moved on.

No nerves struck, the "hate blizzard" thing is a reaction to the apparent need by some to reject anything Blizzard does out of hand, and not just in this thread. I am NOT implying that this means you, by the way.

I'm not one of the "trust them blindly" crowd either, but in my opinion both "extreme" views are equally a waste of energy. So yeah, I WANT it to be good. If all the evidence available to me when the time comes, still convinces me that it will be fun, I'll buy it.

What more can a person do? But I refuse to be paralysed by something that, by then, will have happened nearly 2 years ago.

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OK I just read your other posts. Probably still a misunderstanding here. I didn't really feel "lied to" by Blizzard, because I went in fairly blind as I said. I just thought it was just a really shallow game, hated the RMAH, the crap loot etc. etc. I mean I was PISSED, for a long time, but mostly because I saw it as tragic wasted opportunity. Sorry if that wasn't clear either.

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Startkabels wrote:

Ah I see, can't argue with that. But that's why I said "seems".

And I didn't argue that point. It's possible that they'll follow through on their claims. I just don't see it as probable, given Blizzard's track record.

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But what's the problem? You can wait for release and first verify that they did what they promised before buying?

I don't have a problem either way because I won't buy RoS.
If you read the posts in their entirety, it's not about me. It's about someone who claimed to have been burned by D3 and yet would buy RoS based on what he now knows about it.

And this, to me, does not make sense. Hence why I tried to explain why it didn't make sense to me, and asking he show me what exactly made him so willing to trust in Blizzard again.

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DijiGo wrote:

Alright, I will try to give a satisfactory answer.

Several things that were shown in that video, and discussed in interviews seem "improvements enough" that I think I will enjoy RoS. Honestly, I bought D3 pretty much sight unseen on purpose, because I wanted to be surprised. I had not been following it for years like some.

Anyway, we know how that turned out. Trust? I don't need to trust OR mistrust them; I will look at the feature set again at release, and if it still looks good I will buy it. I'll certainly be more careful this time, but people and time have both moved on.

No nerves struck, the "hate blizzard" thing is a reaction to the apparent need by some to reject anything Blizzard does out of hand, and not just in this thread. I am NOT implying that this means you, by the way.

I'm not one of the "trust them blindly" crowd either, but in my opinion both "extreme" views are equally a waste of energy. So yeah, I WANT it to be good. If all the evidence available to me when the time comes, still convinces me that it will be fun, I'll buy it.

What more can a person do? But I refuse to be paralysed by something that, by then, will have happened nearly 2 years ago.

In short: When you said "I'll be buying the expansion[...]", what you actually meant was: "I might be buying the expansion if what they have shown so far makes it into the end product."

The line of "I'll be buying the expansion" was what got me to deduce that your trust in Blizzard was blind, because to me this said "I will be buying the expansion based on what I know now, no further convincing needed", which is clearly, if I take your explanation into account, not what you meant.

Case of miscommunication, then. Your stance seems reasonable enough after that explanation.

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Avireyn wrote:

Case of miscommunication, then.

See above, I added to/edited my earlier post.

Cheers

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Startkabels wrote:

I am talking about how long it takes, because if it takes forever to get all the available stats with paragon points it would mean that your statement (and also Real_Wolf's) are actually false practically and that is what really matters.

And again you leave the unique gear out as a factor

What will happen practically is that players will focus on stats that are most important for them when using their Paragon Points and so this will actually improve diverseness. The closer players will get to Paragon 750 the less diverse characters of the same level will be. But who knows this can take years?

It might not take as long as you think.

People get their Paragon experience of every character they have transfert to the new system.
That are 10,454,400,000 Billion Experience for 1 Level 100 paragon character. If they have more characters with paragon levels this gets added. With the reduced exp. per Paragon level in Paragon 2.0 there will be players that start level 200+.

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

Im beginning to think you didnt even play d3 ... ever ... and this is all a ruse because of your butthurt about poe. To come in here and say 2 barbs in d3 arent the same ... is just lol

Answer to ''do you know how long it takes to get 750 paragon points?'' ... no we dont know ... nevermind its not the point just an escapist argument by you ... but either way (1) same was said for plvl 100, and once players got an optimised route and shared it everyone got to 100 quickly (2) very likely at say 200 paragon points, 5 barbarians will still be very similar in their allotted points, because again d3 doesnt encourage customisation like that anyway, the other systems dont allow for it. Its just str / vit / ias / crit dmg for barb, dex and int are wasted on them, block sucks in d3 because it reduces by x and the dmg is so massive to begin with. Mf, gf ... you get enough in d3 from other sources. The itemisation is so bland that rares and uniques are the exact same thing with the latter having a higher value of the stats and nothing else. Every slot is res - main stat - vit - trifecta - socket, all 13 of them and all can spawn any stats with a few few exceptions. In poe I dont shit myself if i dont have a 6 link, its ok if i use maligaro or SOL amu that dont have the other stats, do you see any of this kind of itemisation in d3? In poe i am using items in slots that have really unique and wtf properties and have stats or range of stats that isnt normally there. Bloodseeker, lioneyes glare, soul taker, kaoms, AA, lioneye remorse, thiefs torment, astramentis, SOL, andvarius, blackgleam, marohi erqi, shavronnes, maligaro, facebreaker ... thats fine itemisation. EVERY unique item in d3 is a glorified rare. In d3 everyone gets enough of his secondary stats, so will only leave the paragon statting of them to the very end just for shits and giggles. It will just be vit and main stat, ias, cc, cd ALL over again. Finished by level 70 and xx paragon, and again EVERYONE the same. Time will tell but I will bet my left nut on this. Bandaiding stuff isnt the same as fixing something broken.

In poe, thanks to the skill tree system, I can get extra armor or extra dps or extra block instead on my marauder ... BUT i can never have it all. Its the same reason why I have about 10 skill trees planned and I cant bloody choose one. This is what you want, to have everything maxed like in d3, and of course everyone is the same if they all meet the stat limits their character needs. But you dont realise this is a bad thing. If theres a problem with monster dmg / hp, they balance that a bit, not give us tons more skill points to spend so I have taken everything on the mara tree and now my marauder is the same as the next guy's.