PoE Vs Diablo 3 new expansion

The point is not to assume their telling the truth and immediately buy it. The people who should do that are the people who currently enjoy D3 not people who hate what Blizzard did with the original D3. I'm sure some people out there will make the assumption that the game will be fixed in every single way and will come off feeling twice as dumb for falling for it again.

If I was on the fence about D3 I would sit back once its released, read the reviews, watch some gameplay action, and read the forums a lot for at least a few weeks.

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

With the legacy of d2 and d3, of course they would be successful in selling it ... whats wrong with you? So naive?

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did). --> They said it would be like that, then went back on it later. The biggest scandal was the disappearance of extra gems, elixirs, talismnans, enchantress, charms at release, OR THE PVP LOL. THey had promised arenas, (and had a gameplay video at blizzcon - looked AWESOME), AT RELEASE, and it shipped without it, with no warning or a word. Then a disaster of a 'brawling' system was released close to a year later when JW said 'if we dont release it by the end of the year it would be a disaster'. Also, the classes had to have gender-specific stories and cutscenes and we would learn more about them as we went along ... nothing of this ever materialised.

Man just shut it if you dont know the half of it. Dont talk about what was promised in d3 and wasnt delivered. Because you going 'if they did' MEANS you dont have half a clue.

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

Guys (and I am not just talking about you startkabels), please start to read X-Fire correctly.

D3 is on place 10 not because of the amount of Players who play it. The list is sorted for Hours/Day.

If D3 had 1 player that plays 5000 hours per day (yeah I know) it would still be on place 10.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

Guys (and I am not just talking about you startkabels), please start to read X-Fire correctly.

D3 is on place 10 not because of the amount of Players who play it. The list is sorted for Hours/Day.

If D3 had 1 player that plays 5000 hours per day (yeah I know) it would still be on place 10.

rmt site bots lol

The thread was actually moved to off topic. This community never ceases to amaze me... The thread DOES have feedback on PoE, the problem is most people here can't hear someone mention D3 without trying to bash the hell out of that person, and that's why the thread was derailed, not the OP's fault.

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mvm199 wrote:

Im beginning to think you didnt even play d3 ... ever ... and this is all a ruse because of your butthurt about poe. To come in here and say 2 barbs in d3 arent the same ... is just lol

Ok, well you appear to think many things that are not true. I do play D3 and 2 barbs in D3 are really not the same only and first of all because of gear.

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Answer to ''do you know how long it takes to get 750 paragon points?'' ... no we dont know ... nevermind its not the point just an escapist argument by you ...

It is based on an official D3 developer response that I found in your own source.

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but either way (1) same was said for plvl 100, and once players got an optimised route and shared it everyone got to 100 quickly (2) very likely at say 200 paragon points, 5 barbarians will still be very similar in their allotted points, because again d3 doesnt encourage customisation like that anyway, the other systems dont allow for it. Its just str / vit / ias / crit dmg for barb, dex and int are wasted on them, block sucks in d3 because it reduces by x and the dmg is so massive to begin with. Mf, gf ... you get enough in d3 from other sources.

This is a very confusing wall of text, but "very likely at say 200 paragon points" is just a guess. I can easily counter that by repeating what I have just stated about paragon points that practically it might also take years to get 750 paragon points.
Also your point about "it's all about Str/Vit does certainly also apply to PoE as I explained in details in my earlier posts.
Fortunately in D3 MF is obtained easily and is much more balanced between characters.

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The itemisation is so bland that rares and uniques are the exact same thing with the latter having a higher value of the stats and nothing else. Every slot is res - main stat - vit - trifecta - socket, all 13 of them and all can spawn any stats with a few few exceptions. In poe I dont shit myself if i dont have a 6 link, its ok if i use maligaro or SOL amu that dont have the other stats, do you see any of this kind of itemisation in d3? In poe i am using items in slots that have really unique and wtf properties and have stats or range of stats that isnt normally there. Bloodseeker, lioneyes glare, soul taker, kaoms, AA, lioneye remorse, thiefs torment, astramentis, SOL, andvarius, blackgleam, marohi erqi, shavronnes, maligaro, facebreaker ... thats fine itemisation. EVERY unique item in d3 is a glorified rare.

Pff those walls of badly written arguments are hurting my eyes: The new expansion will introduce loot 2.0 as I mentioned several times now. If it will be as Blizzards says itemization will be better in RoS as in PoE. You ignore that and rant on with specifics I am not going to answer at all.

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In d3 everyone gets enough of his secondary stats, so will only leave the paragon statting of them to the very end just for shits and giggles. It will just be vit and main stat, ias, cc, cd ALL over again. Finished by level 70 and xx paragon, and again EVERYONE the same. Time will tell but I will bet my left nut on this. Bandaiding stuff isnt the same as fixing something broken.

You mean primary stats? Yes fortunately no micromanagement like in PoE where for example life/armour based melee characters are to take all possible 6% life nodes and still find out that life is inbalanced as hell.
Also the paragon points allow more build diversity in practice, like I also explained before and what you are also ignoring btw

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mvm199 wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

With the legacy of d2 and d3, of course they would be successful in selling it ... whats wrong with you? So naive?

No what is wrong with you, did I say that it was not also because of D2? No I did not

because you make so many false assumption I don't even bother to respond to the wall of text in the rest of your rant. Learn to debate kid.

all you do is repeat ''they will add loot 2.0 and loot runs and nephalem trials and legendary revamps and its all magically going to turn from poop to silver''. Save it, sick of hearing it, from both you and those useless devs. We will see how it turns out at release.

Another point to show how ironic you are being: you say its all up to the gear to define customisation. Thats funny, soooo funny, in d3 every barb has vile ward - ik 3 piece - mempo - and 1000 dps weapons with crit gem in sockets, and witching hour + lacuni. Plays the same, and has 5/6 skills identical, 3 same passives, and the only variety is if rend or hota or ww as main skill. LOL

In poe you can have different geared, for example, just a class of the marauder, such as:-

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/518842

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/384141

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/408939

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/490814

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/503736

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/498864

And they all play different. If you tell me those are all the same, I will pimp slap you boy!

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

Guys (and I am not just talking about you startkabels), please start to read X-Fire correctly.

D3 is on place 10 not because of the amount of Players who play it. The list is sorted for Hours/Day.

If D3 had 1 player that plays 5000 hours per day (yeah I know) it would still be on place 10.

Since you might have not seen it.

Also

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

I am talking about how long it takes, because if it takes forever to get all the available stats with paragon points it would mean that your statement (and also Real_Wolf's) are actually false practically and that is what really matters.

And again you leave the unique gear out as a factor

What will happen practically is that players will focus on stats that are most important for them when using their Paragon Points and so this will actually improve diverseness. The closer players will get to Paragon 750 the less diverse characters of the same level will be. But who knows this can take years?

It might not take as long as you think.

People get their Paragon experience of every character they have transfert to the new system.
That are 10,454,400,000 Billion Experience for 1 Level 100 paragon character. If they have more characters with paragon levels this gets added. With the reduced exp. per Paragon level in Paragon 2.0 there will be players that start level 200+.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Startkabels wrote:

The example you gave in which you pointed out that Blizzard provided false gameplay that was actually scripted was of course a teaser to make people buy D3.
These scripted stuff is something you see all the time in teasers, however it is not smart to tell people that gameplay will literally be like that (if they did).

I saw that D3 is on the 10th place of the player base list on X-Fire (http://www.xfire.com/games) so they were quite successful in making sure people will buy their game.

The problem they have now obviously is that players stopped playing and it is in their own interest to make sure that players will go back playing. They will not lie to have people buy the expansion, people will be more careful now.

Guys (and I am not just talking about you startkabels), please start to read X-Fire correctly.

D3 is on place 10 not because of the amount of Players who play it. The list is sorted for Hours/Day.

If D3 had 1 player that plays 5000 hours per day (yeah I know) it would still be on place 10.

Since you might have not seen it.

I don't think so, did you even open the link? The list you are referring to is a different one and can be found here http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats

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It might not take as long as you think.

People get their Paragon experience of every character they have transfert to the new system.
That are 10,454,400,000 Billion Experience for 1 Level 100 paragon character. If they have more characters with paragon levels this gets added. With the reduced exp. per Paragon level in Paragon 2.0 there will be players that start level 200+.

We can make all kinds of assumptions like yours but I think that Paragon 2.0 has an intention behind it that will be properly reviewed by Blizzard and it is probably not as useless as people want to make me believe. Like everybody will have all stats maxed in a month? It is intended as an end game feature and intended to make sure players keep playing.
"There will be players": Sure, and you may expect Blizzard known about that. 200 still leaves 500 to go etc etc.
This is a useless discussion but the real point is that it is intended to contribute to build diversity and end game experience, you cannot argue with that without knowing how it will work out.