PoE Vs Diablo 3 new expansion

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Tis your experience I suppose. Cant call you wrong.

But not every marauder is the same. Yet every barbarian is.

This...

People are making new builds all the time. I just decided to put my build up recently and I will have another build up towards the end of the next league as well.

Although I will definitely be playing D3 for a very good reason. I need money IRL and D3 is a great way to make money when the economy isn't total shit. If they put in a ladder system I will barely ever play PoE because of the thousands that can easily be made in D3 if you play hardcore.

D3 is the one and only Pay2Win/GetPaid2Win game.

PoE is more challenging because I like to start from nothing and build my character to be stronger and stronger, but eventually I get bored. I can start playing each time a new league starts, but I don't gain anything like I do with D3.

PoE = Challenge with no reward.

D3 = Reward with no challenge.

I'm a sucker for rewards...

I think all arpg players are suckers for rewards. That's the only reason I suspended playing PoE for some time now. After trying 30 builds I wanted to try, having endgame gear on most of my chars the game became less rewarding and I have to wait till it offers something new and rewarding for me again. In D3 time was never wasted because I knew I could either find something decent for me or for selling or get gold buy something on ah and resell it on rmah. Ah was a game, it was addicting, playing the ah. Buying stuff in PoE makes me want to blow my head off. I would like D3 stealing the maps idea from GGG because doing acts over and over again was too repetitive with all that dialogue and quests. PoE does that much better - you can roam the zones as you like.

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lososthefish wrote:

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

Lets add destructible objects and lets have them spawn loot... okay now lets remove loot from destructible objects... okay lets add back loot drops but severely nerf the loot from such sources...

All because of "bots" and all to the detriment of actual players. All those lootable corpses early in Act 1? Still no longer provides loot, I think.

Oh also, bots are farming particular areas? Lets nerf the farm efficiency of those areas to such a degree that NO ONE ENJOYS THOSE AREAS.

yes, Blizzard have been doing marvelous work.

Because GGG handles bots so much better. The piece of D3 rmah was much tastier than PoEs orbs. Btw, I earned 500 euro on Diablos RMAH. I expect the expansion will return it's cost timesfold too. Honestly, Diablo was generous to players that were not dirty causals. It just didn't last. PoE does not have similar concerns, but is much less rewarding. Bots are a problem too and RMT is rampaging. All that saves PoE is the fact that it's small.

And it has an alright experience if you don't make trading a living or follow other players "Builds" and instead forge your own path with minimal outside assistance. Admittedly I have yet to reach maps but from Normal Act 1 to Merciless Act 3 the game as is is fairly good as far as I can tell for Melee, Ranged, single player and multiplayer. A vastly better experience then current Diablo 3's Normal to Inferno Act 1 gameplay (Note: I do not count auction house utilization as "gameplay", nor do I count profiteering financially [Real world money] from trading of any sort in either game as "gameplay").

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Startkabels wrote:

See last post, the problem is not that defenses consist of those factors but the balance of and beween them

Or in other words: Life/armour tank builds in PoE are fake tanks that need to stop every step to buff their defenses or debuff enemy damage, even with insane life and armour.

And because they need to invest so much in defenses since life/armour/monster damage is unbalanced as hell, they regularly give up damage and stats like MF.

All of this results in tanks being less effective in killing monsters, more dangerous to play, less wealthy and their is almost no variety in life/armour based tanks.

'stop every step' ... please, you only use enfeeble and granites sparingly. Against some crazy rare or reflect or boss like map kole. l2p. Especially with max block. Your definition of insane life and armor is probably 2k and 10k lol, I have no doubt you cant build to save your life. To cast enduring cry every 10 seconds ... its not going to give you carpel tunnel, and well if that bugs you and its so much for you to handle then yeah, imo you shouldnt be playing. Btw ever played a barb without warcries in d2 or d3, or any character without potions? No? I didnt think so either.

Just a point about these

3)Max resists --> What character doesnt max resists? Did you just add this to make the list seem more expansive? lol @ you

5)Life on all items --> You mean like es on all items with ci / es builds? + same with d2/d3? derp

6)Life leech --> Life leech in this game sucks (non vaal pact) lol

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IceM wrote:

Then why have a build with a downside, if it is not needed?

Some people play solo, and you can have more than enough dps for solo (EVEN with RT ... i only do rt, because I hate accuracy and crit chance and the stupid amount of the latter you need which you dont find in the mara tree), even with some mf. I think we can all agree startkabels has not the smallest fuck of a clue of what he is on about. This is especially evident in his character history.

A tank build's downsides are a bit more evident in 3+ player games. From my experience, you generally need 15k dps minimum for every 100% monster hp in this game. And around 10k dps to kill somewhat comfortably, not exactly mowing down stuff like discharge either.

To faceroll most content a melee (in general, most of their damage listed here is very solid since its not elemental and there arent factors like shocks, shotgunning, multiple stages like incinerate etc to consider) would need the following screen dps:-

1 player - 15k dps
2 player - 23k dps
3 player - 30k dps
4 player - 38k dps
5 player - 45k dps
6 player - 53k dps

I saw a very representative lets play of D3 some other day. A guy loading up D3 and commenting "well... lets see what char we use today to play some D3 ... hm... i think i go with the barbarian... *chooses character* So, lets fire up the game and lets get started!! *opens AH* Lovely, those loading times... We are now right in the game. This is D3 played with a barbarian, folks." *continues to click through the AH for 15 minutes before he ends the video because of boredom*

I installed Diablo 3 again yesterday and what a relief it was:

-Diablo 3 looks a lot better
-Action is a lot more smooth (no framedrops) and feel more impactful
-No desync
-A melee character feels strong and vital as it should
-The story, the lore and voice acting are a lot better
-Monsters, bosses and the environment are more creative and interesting
-The map is not a confusing blur like in PoE
-No need for fuzzy micromanagement with hundreds of overwhelming and unnecessary minor and boring passives (6% of this 2% of that) but choosing 3 dramatic passive skills
-Itemization in PoE is better atm because of colour allocated item stats, but this will actually be addressed in the new D3 expansion. And also I expect D3 to take the overhand because they will also introduce loot 2.0 which means less but better drops too which will make playing the game more rewarding and which reduces the need to buy items, something that PoE needs badly
-Skills in PoE seem better because of more customization but in my experience this is only partly true . It is just more fuzzy micromanagement with getting the right socket colours and links: Faster attacks/Increased physicial damage/Increased weapon elemental damage: It is just more DPS. Also some support gems are a lot better then others making a lot of support gems unneeded. In D3 there are just a couple of very effective runes per skill. However the fact that you can switch to a different skill and rune at any time does make your character less unique.
-Items you find but don't need are not as useless as in PoE, you can salvage them for crafting resources or sell them for gold
-Crafting makes more sense because it's not as expensive and unrewarding as in PoE and it is more interesting because of recipes and leveling
-End game in PoE are random maps, In D3 you can raise your base stats with paragon points (max 100) after level cap. In the new expansion they will introduce lootruns which are similar the maps. So also here I expect D3 to take the overhand.

All in all for me the cons shrink to insignificance compared to the pros and D3 is a lot more fun and less boring to play

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Startkabels wrote:

All in all for me the cons shrink to insignificance compared to the pros and D3 is a lot more fun and less boring to play

why are you still here?! lol

-The story, the lore and voice acting are a lot better --> I laughed so hard at this I split my sides. Easy to see why you are so full of crap, the story was the 3rd biggest complaint at release after difficulty and item/customisation. hahahaha, if you followed the lore at all (I was a huge fan, got all the books too) you will know how they butchered the story. But you evidently dont.

'Adria tagged the demon souls into the black soulstone' LOL tag you're it demon lord souls! --- hahaha give me a friggin break, storytelling and lore my a$$!!

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mvm199 wrote:

why are you still here?! lol

-The story, the lore and voice acting are a lot better --> I laughed so hard at this I split my sides. Easy to see why you are so full of crap, the story was the 3rd biggest complaint at release after difficulty and item/customisation. hahahaha, if you followed the lore at all (I was a huge fan, got all the books too) you will know how they butchered the story. But you evidently dont.

'Adria tagged the demon souls into the black soulstone' LOL tag you're it demon lord souls! --- hahaha give me a friggin break, storytelling and lore my a$$!!

Can someone not play both games?

Also, the D3 expansion isn't out yet.

Even though D3 may not have the best story or lore, but you can't argue that it is a million times better than what we have in POE currently.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

Even though D3 may not have the best story or lore, but you can't argue that it is a million times better than what we have in POE currently.

Yes I can LOL

D3 ... only has somewhat better visuals (read: WOWish crap that most ppl are into these days) and more 'fluid' combat - I dont care for the (slightly) better visuals seeing as poe's are constantly being upgraded, and they look beautiful in their own right on high settings (especially the dungeons, they shit on d3's cartoony ones), and as for fluid combat - yes d3 does this better, but i like poe feeling somewhat 'visceral' and 'clunky' at times too, it actually gives me more of a feel of being in real combat.

PLEASE tell me what d3 does better than poe .... just looked at the paladins (OH SORRY CRUSADER) auras, they are extra damage, extra armor, extra speed - LOL its like warcry, battle rage, wotb all over again. His attacks are copies of cleave, bash, frenzy etc with shield / flail instead. Falling sword = HOTA with delay. POS game is POS

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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mvm199 wrote:

why are you still here?! lol

-The story, the lore and voice acting are a lot better --> I laughed so hard at this I split my sides. Easy to see why you are so full of crap, the story was the 3rd biggest complaint at release after difficulty and item/customisation. hahahaha, if you followed the lore at all (I was a huge fan, got all the books too) you will know how they butchered the story. But you evidently dont.

'Adria tagged the demon souls into the black soulstone' LOL tag you're it demon lord souls! --- hahaha give me a friggin break, storytelling and lore my a$$!!

Can someone not play both games?

Also, the D3 expansion isn't out yet.

Even though D3 may not have the best story or lore, but you can't argue that it is a million times better than what we have in POE currently.

Exactly, I said it is better than how it is in PoE.

Good to hear you had a laugh though but please learn to read and understand