Voltaxix Rft -- Questionable New Ranger Unique Bow #2

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adghar wrote:

I'm confused. Is RenoR arguing with himself...? EDIT: Asking that because Xendran agreed with RenoR and then RenoR replied almost as though trying to explain something to Xendran.

In any case, for Alfabetica, Amiag, and any lurkers who are still confused about PoE's hyperliteral wording concerning "increased" and "more" mods:

There are several certain "loopholes" that supercede the whole "increased = additive," "more = multiplicative" rule. Basically, when the "increased" damage is on a different conceptual level, it is allowed to "act" as "more."

Examples:
-1. Shock stacks cause targets to take 40% increased damage. This turns out to function much like a "more" modifier because most "increased damage" that you stack is damage that you deal, which is calculated before damage taken is calculated. i.e. if you have 350% increased damage coming from your fireball, and you hit a monster with one shock stack (40% increased damage taken), then your "damage-dealt-to-shocked-monster" modifier is 3.5 * 1.4, or 490%, which is a lot more than (350+40=390%).
-2. Local and global modifiers on weapons. Example a is easy to understand; example b is easy to test out in game for yourself:
---2a. The % increased physical damage mod on weapons affects local damage values, which means if you have, say, 50% increased physical damage from strength and weapon passives, and 50% increased physical damage on a weapon mod, you deal 1.5 * 1.5 or 225% of "flat weapon damage" from that weapon. Weapon mod = local, strength/weapon passives IPD = global.
---2b. The % increased critical strike chance (NOT "global critical strke chance," which I don't think can even roll on weapons...?) on weapons is local. This is the most "egregious" of the "loopholes" in my eyes, since it means spell crit can't even come close to weapon crit :( but it's fine, because weapons need some sort of advantage over spells. This means that if you have 500% increased critical strike chance from passive tree, and you roll just a 25% increased critical strike chance on a 5%-base-critical-chance-weapon, you go from 30% critical strike chance to 36% critical strike chance. Not bad. Compare to, say, getting a passive that pushes your ICSC to 525%. You go from 30% to... 31%... okay...

This chaos damage conversion thing is just another one of those "loopholes."

500 base lightning damage
+50% increased lightning damage
+10% increased chaos damage

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500 lightning damage * 1.5 = 750 lightning damage. Projectile lightning damage increases complete.
750 lightning damage * 1.00 chaos conversion rate = 750 chaos damage (Lightning damage reduced to 0)
750 chaos damage * 1.1 = 825 chaos damage. Final damage increases complete.

Personally, I'm not too sure what to think of this loophole. I feel like it's pretty hard to figure out through pure theorycraft, unless perhaps you're rather well-versed in doing conversion calculations already.

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Rheakith wrote:

Give a guy who obviously already has GG items (kaoms etc) and only 7k hp (think HVR's build that has abuot 11k hp with kaoms) a decent bow, put him in a lvl 71 (lol) map with only 2 mods to test out a build and call it op...

The only advantage his build has is reflect immunity, and other builds handle reflect in other ways fine.

I just don't think the weapon is OP (and I'm not using it), seems to balance out the positive and negative features.