Voltaxix Rft -- Questionable New Ranger Unique Bow #2

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Fourist wrote:

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Xedralya wrote:

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It's a user-funded unique, GGG couldn't scrap the entire idea because of a balance issue the game has and can yet be fixed. That's not a fair position to take.

GGG can and will tell you that your idea won't work or won't be used. Trust me, I've had a bunch of crazy ones for mine that I've floated past them and were subsequently turned down. Rory has been fantastic and I think they have their heads on straight about the whole process.

Someone mentioned that this bow is really overpowered, and that you can get past the drawback by having a Lioneye's in your alternate weapon slot. If you have a 6L Voltaxic Rift and a 6L Lioneye's Glare in your stash, then yes, you deserve to be able to faceroll stuff.

This game rewards people who spend a lot of time playing it. Certain items in this game are extremely powerful. They're also extremely rare. Would you rather that someone who excels in skill and has put a lot of playtime in be no more powerful than anyone else?

I'm with this guy! I dont think balance is synonymous with make all uniques mediocre. Having powerful items in niche builds is what makes this game extremely fun. Items like this give you variety in building a powerful character and give you a goal to strive for. I see this bow as a build enabler for HC LA builds. I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about good items being introduced into the game. 99% of the time they are BIS for a particular build and I see nothing wrong there.

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Xendran wrote:

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Then with your over-tuned 100% increased elemental damage, and lvl 20 (80% more) WED gem, that brings it up to 7200 dmg. Imagine also the monster had -50% resists to both fire and cold, and that's just over 10k fire and cold dmg. Then taking in to account LA's Damage effectiveness, you'd deal 7560 dmg per hit. Just from a cold/fire dmg on a ring and a quiver; pretty mental.

A smart person will never ever let this happen. With this bow you want to be using Projectile Weakness + Critical Weakness. So it'll be a *1.34 multiplier stacked on top of monster resist, rather than a flat *1.5 multiplier with no enemy resist damage reduction. Projectile weakness multiplies your chaos damage, elemental weakness curses are pretty terrible with this bow.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

OK, Let's have a look at the maths:

Imagine a ridiculous awesome ring and quiver than have the best fire and cold dmg rolls, and roll max damage on both fire and cold dmg, so did around 200 base dmg between them in the 1 hit (unlikely, but let's go with it anyway).

Then, let's say you crit too, with some insane 1k crit multiplier, making that 2000 damage. Then with your over-tuned 100% increased elemental damage, and lvl 20 (80% more) WED gem, that brings it up to 7200 dmg. Imagine also the monster had -50% resists to both fire and cold, and that's just over 10k fire and cold dmg. Then taking in to account LA's Damage effectiveness, you'd deal 7560 dmg per hit. Just from a cold/fire dmg on a ring and a quiver; pretty mental.

18% reflect means you take 1360 reflect dmg from each hit. With 75% resists (I hope you have at least that since it's an end-game build), that's 340 dmg per hit. It's certainly possible to 1-hit yourself on a decent pack.

However, those results are all ridiculous.
With a more realistic high-end setup (100 base cold and fire dmg - that's still super high, 50% increased ele dmg, 700% crit multiplier), you'd do about 2k ele dmg to the enemy with a crit, which means about 90 reflect dmg per hit at 75% resists. Of course, you have to hit yourself with them as well, which is pretty hard if you have Ondar's guile, but lets imagine 40 hits got through from one shot - that's 3600 dmg. So, it's still possible to 1-hit yourself if you are unlucky and reasonably glass-cannon.

I'd be interested to see whether your actual stats (max ring/quiver rolls, crit multiplier, cold/fire dmg modifiers) stacked up against my simulations.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

This is silly. I have absolutely no reason to lie. Yes, I sold the bow in game, I think the guy's name was itsnotgg or something like that. It was crap, and yes, I instadied to reflect. Yes, it would have been possible to prevent it by sacrificing other elements, but then it would have even worse dps than its already mediocre stats. Have fun paying silly amounts for an underpowered item, but don't make silly accusations on the forum.

As for the dude who said I accused him of lying, well, that in itself is a lie. Go back and read what I actually wrote.

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Cycl3 wrote:

So your response to your "not-likely-to-happen-fact" is "i have no reason to lie" and end the topic
We are trying to figure out the reason but we need the stats. Then, you, the only one having the info, keep saying "I'm not lying", asking others to proof you wrong and not trying to proof yourself correct even we are doing all the math

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MonstaMunch wrote:

I don't get it. I sold the bow and the stuff I used for it exactly as I said, so what stats are you asking for? It seems like you guys are grasping at stawmen at this point. The bow's dps has already been shown to be mediocre, it's attack speed is relatively slow, and there is nothing to justify the current price tag.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

I'd be interested to see whether your actual stats (max ring/quiver rolls, crit multiplier, cold/fire dmg modifiers) stacked up against my simulations.

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Cycl3 wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

I don't get it. I sold the bow and the stuff I used for it exactly as I said, so what stats are you asking for? It seems like you guys are grasping at stawmen at this point. The bow's dps has already been shown to be mediocre, it's attack speed is relatively slow, and there is nothing to justify the current price tag.

Do agree the bow is insanely overpriced atm, but it's dps is at the level of lioneye's, which is still nice unless you're looking for 350+

But we are talking about the statement "this bow one-shot me on ele-reflect", and none of your sentences can convince us.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

I'd be interested to see whether your actual stats (max ring/quiver rolls, crit multiplier, cold/fire dmg modifiers) stacked up against my simulations.

So you just forget if your amulet having any fire/cold dmg, forgot if you have some crit multi on equipments, not even a rough range.
You one-shot yourself and your memory?

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MonstaMunch wrote:

As for the dude who said I accused him of lying, well, that in itself is a lie. Go back and read what I actually wrote.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

And seriously, that dude's numbers are nonsense. Who goes out with only 100% increased ele damage, let alone 50%? You get more than that just from rings and ammy without even including quiver, belt and passives.