Kripp banned from GW2

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SqueakyToyOfTerror wrote:

A mere 'Welcome back to PoE' is a sad response. You may as well hang a sign on the door inviting all who look to abuse a game.

That's a sad oversight of a game's potential, especially for Path of Exile. What Kripp did was not an exploit over a bug. He didn't use a bot, or a script. What he did was find a clever connection within the game economy, which was wittingly made by the developers.

One of the big reasons I like the Skilldrasil, is because I get to look for synergy between certain nodes, skills and gear. Finding these connections is creative and fun. The fact that Kripp found such a connection between Karma and Gold (and I say this lightly, since others have found this since day 1, and there are much better connections out there), is no reason to punish him. I sure hope no one punishes us for finding interesting connections between certain skill nodes and certain uniques, or whatever. =S

I wholeheartedly welcome him back.

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ac429 wrote:

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SqueakyToyOfTerror wrote:

A mere 'Welcome back to PoE' is a sad response. You may as well hang a sign on the door inviting all who look to abuse a game.

That's a sad oversight of a game's potential, especially for Path of Exile. What Kripp did was not an exploit over a bug. He didn't use a bot, or a script. What he did was find a clever connection within the game economy, which was wittingly made by the developers.

One of the big reasons I like the Skilldrasil, is because I get to look for synergy between certain nodes, skills and gear. Finding these connections is creative and fun. The fact that Kripp found such a connection between Karma and Gold (and I say this lightly, since others have found this since day 1, and there are much better connections out there), is no reason to punish him. I sure hope no one punishes us for finding interesting connections between certain skill nodes and certain uniques, or whatever. =S

I wholeheartedly welcome him back.

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Panda413 wrote:

Yesterday, people found a way to convert karma to gold at a good rate via cooking.

Kripp used the exploit live on stream and received a 3-day ban for advertising an exploit. His followers are harassing ANet in response.

I do not play GW2. My response was based on the OP.

I will state, however, that the devs of GW2 obviously found it as an exploit; The question would be whether or not this event has previously been commented on by the GW2 staff, and deemed an exploit of unintentional mechanics.

Other than the OP, my response is based on knowing Kripp's general methods with gaming, which are very well known and displayed with no shame.

Each person's manner of play and method of progression is definitely their own choice, and their right; However, when one makes a habit of playing in the gray area, it will surely come to bite them in the ass at some point.

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Panda413 wrote:

I like Kripp's steam. I just don't think he realizes that being the popular streamer he is means he needs to approach gaming a little different than the rest of us. It's like an athlete and strip clubs. He is always under a watchful eye and everything he does will be scrutinized. This forum is no different.

This is an extremely good point.

I DO play Gw2 and never really saw a correlation between karma (which you earn by doing good deeds around the place) and gold. Heck, I tend to ignore karma most of the time and let it build up. It tends to offer things like, well, pie. Someday I'll go back to that orchard and buy, like, 500 pies. Maybe.

I'd never think to sell that pie for gold, though.

I can't say for certain whether or not this 'exploit' is nefarious enough to warrant a 3 day ban, but the advertising of it is definitely more 'noxious' than the mere usage of it. As I've said elsewhere, I think Kripp sometimes forgets he has 2-3k people watching him play, adulating to various degrees. He gets really into the game and, I think to his credit, doesn't really make that much of a show about it all.

And let's be honest: Kripp gets treated like royalty regarding PoE. He's done wonders for this game's popularity; he and Chris interact far more than I'd expect from a bigwig at ANet. I wouldn't say he's a big fish in a little pond, but he's definitely a bigger blip on the radar here than there.

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SqueakyToyOfTerror wrote:

Yes, due to the publicity of a member, they should be immune to punishment. Give me a damned break.

The use of an exploit, the promotion of an exploit, or even the explanation of how to use an exploit and giving either yourself and/or others an advantage over the general player base ...

I'll give you more than a break

I'll give you a clue

if the exploit is advertised and out in the open then everyone has access to it

that way no one has an advantage over the general player base

DUH !

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jamesl wrote:

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SqueakyToyOfTerror wrote:

Yes, due to the publicity of a member, they should be immune to punishment. Give me a damned break.

The use of an exploit, the promotion of an exploit, or even the explanation of how to use an exploit and giving either yourself and/or others an advantage over the general player base ...

I'll give you more than a break

I'll give you a clue

if the exploit is advertised and out in the open then everyone has access to it

that way no one has an advantage over the general player base

DUH !

"Everyone" being those who watch Kripp's stream. Regardless of the orbit for your and his planet, not every player of the game resides on planet Kripp.

Having been a developer and host, both legitimate and private, for numerous titles, I can tell you that the actions taken were done with the intent to contain the issue before it had wide spread impact on the economy.

The fact that the result was only a suspension, not a "ban" as many have implied simply goes to further this point.

When you have somebody of Kripp's notoriety, a small issue can become very large, very quick. Locking out the biggest benefactor of the issue while it is being resolved prevents the issue from spreading faster than the developer/host is able to respond and contain.

The outcry regarding a suspension of a player who is known to abuse and manipulate mechanics of each game they play does not change the fact that the end result was due to intentional and publicized abuse of an unintentional mechanic that could very quickly destroy the economy of the game's community.

Justification can be made in many flavors on both sides of the fence, but it does not change the fact that the staff took proper action to protect the integrity of their product.

However, to assume that each and every person that plays within the same realm as Kripp, also follows his every move and would be aware of everything he does or discovers is simply naive.

But I guess if I were to publicize a secure method of duping within PoE once we are in full release, as long as we all knew, I would be doing no harm to the community, and a similar communal gather should be deserved when GGG places the ban, right?

No, I am not comparing my stature here to Kripp's stature within any other game. That would be a null comparison, as I am rightfully and expectantly not known to many, for any reason.

The point, however, is that person's stature within a community should have zero weight when deciding what is and is not healthy for the games future. Kripp is no exception.

If only GW2 could ban itself.

Now I'm killing time seeing what sort of things can earn you a three-day ban on Gw2.

I can safely say that, according to their EULA, six of my PoE names would get me banned.

And that most of what I say in GC would arsehole definitely get shit me fucking banned.

...That said, it's early days yet. I am fairly sure this sort of thing will ease off once the game settles in.

Despite that, I'm playing Gw2 virtually the opposite to how I've played every other game online (including GW1): I don't interact with anyone verbally (other than to reply to random thank yous for reviving), since I skype with my guild members, all two of them; I have safe, non-clever names; and I refuse to even begin to look at the community outside of the game.

Honestly, it's a good way to play and I'm glad GW2 facilitates it so perfectly, with its event system, instanced loot and other 'solo friendly' mechanics.

Kripps is not innocent, sure, but don't you think it's a little extreme to perma ban players just one week after launch?

This soon after launch shouldn't they focus on fixing the holes asap instead of frolicking with the Reddit crowd?

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Panda413 wrote:

Yesterday, people found a way to convert karma to gold at a good rate via cooking.

Kripp used the exploit live on stream and received a 3-day ban for advertising an exploit. His followers are harassing ANet in response.

Then his followers are idiots.

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burgundy wrote:

kinda hilarious but rather unfair, he tried it once and earned 8 gold, people who earned 100+ gold didn't get banned, lols.

Nothing unfair occurred, he was one of around a thousand people who got a three day suspension for 'mildly' abusing the exploit, another 3000 were permabanned for substantially exploiting it.

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DeF46 wrote:

Kripps is not innocent, sure, but don't you think it's a little extreme to perma ban players just one week after launch?

This soon after launch shouldn't they focus on fixing the holes asap instead of frolicking with the Reddit crowd?

Snap.

The 3 day ban, as I am reading, is their standard duration for banning right now. People have received a 3 day ban for far less than what Kripp got done for, and that's really saying something, since it doesn't look like much of an exploit to me.

ANet are going for a mien of utter solemnity as regards breaches of ToS. What's surprising is how many players are cool with that. I do think it's all a bit harsh and strict but with a game this large, I think it's going to work in the end.

People with borderline names are being banned rather than negotiated with. A three day ban is certainly quite the slap on the wrist.