Fixing the fundamental issue with Evasion

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vankeris wrote:

@Zakaluka
It seems in your calculations you are using acrobatics and granite flask together, that's not right.

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Also it's a bit weird you factor in block for the armor character but not for evasion one.

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Also, how you come up with 38% for enfeeble or temp chains?

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Enfeeble with both damage and accuracy reduction is harder to calculate

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I like the comparison but for me it just seems you're comparing apples and oranges.

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Evasion "tank" can reach ridiculous amounts of reduction, mine has roughly 45% chance to evade, 71% chance to block, acrobatics and level 10 quality enfeeble. That's roughly 6,4% hit's reaching me before factoring in enfeeble.

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Tarmalen wrote:

Give weapons the ability to parry.

This will allow the defense stats more flexibility.

Edit: Adding parry in would also give players more tools.

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Tarmalen wrote:

I am thinking that this would have to be from the ground up and not tied to a keystone.


Every weapon gets a parry %. Like a crit chance except it would be parry chance. Some classes of weapons more % than others.

Everyone would benefit but the benefit to dual wielders using parry would be vastly superior than dual block. This would also add another defensive stat which in turn would reduce stress on the remaining defensive stats.

Edit:corrected meaning.

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Charan wrote:

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Tarmalen wrote:

I am thinking that this would have to be from the ground up and not tied to a keystone.


Every weapon gets a parry %. Like a crit chance except it would be parry chance. Some classes of weapons more % than others.

Everyone would benefit but the benefit to dual wielders using parry would be vastly superior than dual block. This would also add another defensive stat which in turn would reduce stress on the remaining defensive stats.

Edit:corrected meaning.

This is a pretty big change. You'd likely need parry animations, eventually. I think it'd also elevate dual-wielders of all classes and types to a level with which GGG might not be entirely comfortable. Imagine a stacked life, stacked armour dual-wielder who could parry with both weapons...

Unless you make parrying somehow antithetical to armour to simulate the lack of grace an armour wearer has...oh, but then we have Iron Reflexes...yep, no.

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gh0un wrote:

Im making this thread for suggestion gathering purposes.
In my opinion, we need to suggest a fix that is NOT a keynode.
Fixing it with a keynode means something is inherently wrong with how evasion works and that means it needs to be fixed at its core.

I think the main issue with evasion is that it doesnt prevent burst damage.
Evasion currently means that the life of your character doesnt lie in your hands, but rather in the hands of RNG.

Even if you had 90% evasion (which is a ridiculous number), if you face a bad luck streak, you are gonna take a few hits in a row and probably die.
This is just not acceptable in a game that has a punishment for death and a Hardcore mode to go along with it.

We need to suggest something that fundamentally changes how evasion works, because the current iteration is never going to work, no matter how much of it you get (unless you get 100%).

My suggestion is the following:
If you evade an attack, you wont take any damage (nothing changing here).
However, if you dont evade an attack, you dont take the full damage at once, but instead you take part of it immediately, and another part of it over time depending on how much evasion you have.

If you have 50% evasion, you will take 50% of the damage immediately, and then another 50% over 5 seconds.
(amount of damage you take in percentage x 0.1 = amount of seconds)
This means you still take the full amount of damage and have to counteract it by using flasks or lifesteal to survive, but you wont get instagibbed/bursted to death without having time to react.

If you have 60% evasion and are hit by an attack that you didnt manage to evade, you take 40% of the damage instantly, and 60% over 6 seconds.

Now to top it off, we can introduce a new passive skill type in some of the bigger defensive evasion nodes (like the 30% more evasion rating one):
"Increases the amount of time it takes for the damage to settle in by x%".

Lets say you have 50% of that new skill passive, that means at 50% evasion, if you now take a hit, you receive that remaining 50% damage over 7.5 seconds instead of over 5 seconds.


With this change, we dont really take less damage, but the damage is less of a burst and we can actually try to do something about it.

What do you guys think?
If you have any suggestions of your own on how to fix the inherent problem with evasion please do share.