pls add gold to buy items

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Wittgenstein wrote:
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WhiteBoy88 wrote:
You're completely missing the point: Why do we need gold? If you create a unit of currency, it has to have a use. Every use is covered by our consumable currency, which also has the inherent nature of slowing inflation by being constantly consumed.

I really don't understand why people want to be told that x=y instead of being allowed to choose for themselves.


This. Also, gold won't be in PoE... so, although some of this discussion is interesting, it is ultimately pointless. Might as well request that PoE add in some robots and ray guns.



+1 for robots

But Ray Guns totally wouldn't fit into the story.
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Guy: I guess there are people that NEED quests for direction.
Guy2: I always wonder how those people get through life.
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Wittgenstein wrote:
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WhiteBoy88 wrote:
You're completely missing the point: Why do we need gold? If you create a unit of currency, it has to have a use. Every use is covered by our consumable currency, which also has the inherent nature of slowing inflation by being constantly consumed.

I really don't understand why people want to be told that x=y instead of being allowed to choose for themselves.


This. Also, gold won't be in PoE...


Gold will be in PoE. The devs are not terminally stupid. They, like some of the posters here, have enough understanding and foresight to see that trading and any kind of auction house will be crippled by the lack of a viable trading currency and how much less attractive the game will be because of it.

I confidently predict there will be something, I doubt it will be called gold if only to save face. If there isn't players will go to D2JSP and trade with their forum gold (some of which will be purchased with real $ bleeding away money players could otherwise spend buying fancy hats or whatever from GGG).

I'm personally unconvinced that auction houses are necessary in this game in the first place. They contribute nothing to - and may detract from - player interaction, and strike me as excessively civilized for the continent of Wraeclast.

As for trading, I think having this assortment of independently useful currency items will encourage it - particularly exchanges of one currency item for another, but I suppose you don't think those should count.

http://www.pathofexile.com/news/2010-11-29/dev-diary4
http://www.pathofexile.com/news/2011-02-08/dev-diary-currency
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Heard its twisted dreamed inanity
In a whisper, in a shout.
In the babbling cacophony
The refrains are all the same:
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are unworthy of the name!"
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Fluffy wrote:
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Wittgenstein wrote:
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WhiteBoy88 wrote:
You're completely missing the point: Why do we need gold? If you create a unit of currency, it has to have a use. Every use is covered by our consumable currency, which also has the inherent nature of slowing inflation by being constantly consumed.

I really don't understand why people want to be told that x=y instead of being allowed to choose for themselves.


This. Also, gold won't be in PoE...


Gold will be in PoE. The devs are not terminally stupid. They, like some of the posters here, have enough understanding and foresight to see that trading and any kind of auction house will be crippled by the lack of a viable trading currency and how much less attractive the game will be because of it.

I confidently predict there will be something, I doubt it will be called gold if only to save face. If there isn't players will go to D2JSP and trade with their forum gold (some of which will be purchased with real $ bleeding away money players could otherwise spend buying fancy hats or whatever from GGG).



You're right, they aren't terminally stupid.

http://www.pathofexile.com/news/2011-02-08/dev-diary-currency

So, your hypothesis is that the developers put enough thought into this to write up such a detailed explanation of why gold isn't in the game, but due to the staggering intellect displayed in this thread they simply must?

-and-

"We are still uncertain about whether it’s worth including something like gold coins as a very low-tier currency item to help ease players into the system. If we did, they’d be itemized (and stackable) so that it’s not practical to carry too many (and would generally be spent on low-end staple items to help the player in the first few acts). We’ll hopefully be able to make a decision soon after more playtesting. "

is satisfied through scrolls.


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Last edited by Wittgenstein#0994 on Sep 30, 2011, 8:47:22 PM
@Wittgenstein

Nowhere in anything that I commented on said anything about putting gold in POE. Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote and perhaps comprehend it, instead of making comments that just make you look ignorant. Besides that perhaps you should contribute to the discussion with some actual thoughts to the discussion instead of your highly insightful, well its not going to happen anyway attitude, which I will remind you had no bearing on my part of the conversation.

My comments were intended as a perspective on all things currency and trading, once again I will point out that I don't have a preference to any type of system and merely described the system that is currently being used to encourage some healthy discussion which it has been up until this point.

'is satisfied through scrolls.'

I just caught this part and if you actually read what I wrote I already said that at least twice. n Once again back to my original point scrolls may as well be called 'gold' if it makes those players happier.

@Everybody else:

I'm out for the night. I will check in the morning and see how this discussion as progressed if at all. I thoroughly enjoyed it with those who had insightful things to say and counter perspectives/arguments

Last edited by EviLSheepLord#7418 on Sep 30, 2011, 8:57:10 PM
Evil,

the topic of this thread is "please add gold to buy items" I was commenting on that, not your particular thoughts or posts. but to the topic of the thread. Specifically, the comments made by Fluffy, who I disagree with.

How you assumed I was commenting on your thoughts when I didn't reference you in any way... is a little confusing to be honest, but it's all good.

Thanks for your insightful critique of my posts!





"the premier Action RPG for hardcore gamers."
-GGG

Happy hunting/fishing
Last edited by Wittgenstein#0994 on Sep 30, 2011, 9:18:16 PM
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Wittgenstein wrote:

You're right, they aren't terminally stupid.

http://www.pathofexile.com/news/2011-02-08/dev-diary-currency


Getting things wrong is stupid, getting things wrong then insisting you carry on being wrong in the light of evidence and feedback is terminally stupid.

The fundamental nature of some of the changes coming in 0.9.3 show the devs are not terminally stupid. What the devs were thinking and saying 8 months ago is not cast in stone. The game doesn't yet have a player to player trade interface never mind an auction house. There is almost no trading in the beta - I haven't traded once. There is no evidence the existing bartering with orbs works or doesn't, those of us with foresight, a clue, and experience in other games know it would be terrible.
I tried to trade via chat let's say a dozen or so times. Then i quit. Because a trade never happened.
I also do not like the necessity to trade via forums. To me it just breaks the game flow. I have to invest time in posting, i have to invest time in meeting up with a potential customer (which is ridiculously complicated). Trading as it is now forces me to do something which feels like working to me not fun.

I do not know if PoE "needs" gold or some kind of similar currency. I think time will tell. But i STRONGLY believe there has to be some form of trading platform ingame. Call it auction house, call it marketplace, call it mary lou jenkins if you want. But it has to come. Forum trading and chat trading ar far too inconvenient imho.
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Last edited by Hartbrot#3222 on Sep 30, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
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Fluffy wrote:
Getting things wrong is stupid, getting things wrong then insisting you carry on being wrong in the light of evidence and feedback is terminally stupid.
Evidence? All there are here are opinions, and the "feedback" part of it comes from a very small sampling of the testing community. To make such a drastic change based on a few opinions could more easily be considered stupid.

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Fluffy wrote:
The fundamental nature of some of the changes coming in 0.9.3 show the devs are not terminally stupid.
This implies that before the 0.9.3 announcement, you thought they were "terminally stupid."

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Fluffy wrote:
What the devs were thinking and saying 8 months ago is not cast in stone.
No, but the core mechanics and philosophies they built the game around can be considered as such.

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Fluffy wrote:
The game doesn't yet have a player to player trade interface never mind an auction house. There is almost no trading in the beta - I haven't traded once. There is no evidence the existing bartering with orbs works or doesn't...
You lacking trade experience in the game doesn't mean no one else has traded. I've made many trades, even though the proper interface has yet to be implemented, and they have all gone smoothly with both parties getting what they wanted. There, I'm a witness with evidence that the system works.

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Fluffy wrote:
...those of us with foresight, a clue, and experience in other games know it would be terrible.
Many others that have commented in this thread, including myself, have all the things you stated. Don't insult everyone who doesn't agree with you; it just makes you look like an inconsiderate ass. Be a little more open-minded and give the devs time to implement the trading functions they have planned. Bitch about it later, once you've actually seen the entire system and the economy develop over time.
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First in the credits!
I got a feeling that a lot ppl just don't understand how money (currency) works. A commodity money.
Yet they insist that current system will work or won't work based on their experience in trading (barter trading ffs).

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:
Evidence?

Those should be more than enough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
and derived from that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_equilibrium
Plus for multiple currency in use like here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law

The fact that currency items are traded now does not imply that they are working as a currency!
That's not a proof of anything in that matter.


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