Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

You are accusing me of something illegal and I am not very happy about that.

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That $1000 of support means much less then you think, I am not treated any different than other customers with the exception of the newsletter.

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Chris wrote:

- It's important that the time is low enough that the player can only get the item if they are paying attention and make an effort to immediately grab it.
- The allocation times can be lower or non-existent in hardcore or cut-throat leagues.

I think this is actually important too, and I see this ‘no tension’ option being available in all areas of the game as a direct contradiction of these statements.

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Remember this disclaimer is on the first paragraph of the Development Manifesto:

The ideas mentioned here are merely our current line of thinking on these topics. They are undergoing substantially more design and testing before getting onto Beta.

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This is not over

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

I find it upsetting that I am accused of something that is ‘generally considered illegal’ for stating my views on something just because I already contributed. I would turn that stupid DIAMOND SUPPORTER target off, but I already have a custom avatar so it would hide nothing.

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Xaxyx wrote:

To be fair, I don't recall anyone accusing you of being a very *effective* blackmailer.

Have any pro-tips for me?

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Xaxyx wrote:

Yea, I know it’s not the strongest argument to make, but to be honest its statements like these that convinced me to support them. If they really have changed their minds then they should go back and do some forum cleanup I guess, or discuss why those statements are no longer valid.

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Xaxyx wrote:

What I’m getting at is that even if they add ‘options’ there are MANY different ways they can be implemented. For example that last line about the possibility of there being no timer in the hardcore league – it at least shows GGG was considering this timer as a difficulty measure years ago.

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I am hopeful they can find a way to accommodate people who hate FFA style looting. I genuinely mean that, but I also hope they can do it in such a way that does not diminish the game for those of us who are really enjoying the current environment. From what I have read, I do not think that the current approch will do that.

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You won’t play the game the way it was designed and now it has to change because of… I’m sorry there is no other way to put it, I know it’s an awful word, but it’s true. BABIES.

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I have zero interest in debating this topic with you, but thanks for the offer.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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Xaxyx wrote:

I have zero interest in debating this topic with you, but thanks for the offer.

Yet here we are, debating it. You truly are an enigma wrapped in a conundrum drenched in ranch dressing.

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I think this is actually important too, and I see this ‘no tension’ option being available in all areas of the game as a direct contradiction of these statements.

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”
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"We have to let everyone out-out of loot tension because some people can’t deal with it." -GGG

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

Na, lets go with this one: 'a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by plundering chiefs in exchange for immunity from pillage'

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Yes, it’s my bailiwick all the way man. Using these kinds of ridiculous words just make you sound like a fruitcake, seriously what’s the point? Oh, I got a thesaurus I’ll just spice this forum post up and show how superior my vocabulary is! Excelsior!

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Oh, another explicit note from Xaxyx I somehow overlooked. The only thing I read was in the Development Manifesto that was “we realised that many people would have a lot more fun if we offered these options.” so ‘not to great lengths’ is right, closer to not at all.

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My argument is irrelevant. I’ll be the first to admit I’m not a skilled debater or practiced in ‘witty repatriate’ such as yourself. I’m speaking directly from my experience playing the game and I see firsthand every day the effects of these systems. I talk to people in games and I do ask questions - and I dont hear any problems about the current system among people out there playing now.

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The “indignity” I have about the devs changing their minds about ‘features’ is not about the features but about the philosophy behind those decisions that seems to have changed.

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I can understand someone saying “I don’t get shit for loot because other players are too fast” – if this was the case we could give that player some suggestions or help them find a guild or group that shares etc.

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Timers have been increased twice now to accommodate these issues, and public games are slowed down for everyone because of it. But now, the timers will be extended to such a degree that there is no ‘loot tension’ at all? Granted, it’s a ‘option’ but there is no reason to believe that all public games won’t use it.

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So now, I see the game changing to accommodate people who are not just slow, but so inflexible that the design itself has to be changed for them. It’s just TOO much.

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What I would ask people pushing for these options is “do you TRY and get loot while you’re fighting in a group?” It is not that hard, I know a nine-year-old kid who could do it after playing for half an hour. Yes you might hate it at first, but if you kept with it I really think most people would appreciate it. (I for one, hated the ffa loot in D2 at first, and it did take a while for me warm up to it, but then my perspective changed so I do empthaise somewhat, but d2 did not have the timers either)

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Or are you just so apprehensive about having to deal with other people that you just won’t try it unless the timer is totally gone? So yes, I would consider that baby- like behavior. Perhaps brats, moppets or maybe whippersnappers would suit you better?

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So, on one hand I DO hope GGG can accommodate people who hate loot tension (for the sake of a larger playerbase and MT sales) – but only in such a way that does not change the game for everyone else. The problem is, I don’t see how that can happen with the current proposal as stated.

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It really reminds me of that Mark Twain quote about censorship:

“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”
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"We have to let everyone out-out of loot tension because some people can’t deal with it." -GGG

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It’s not about me or my debating skill, or the dressing. This is indeed the last time I will reply to anything you write. (I know, you'll insult/mock me back in some way and make it tempting like you do with vooodu but I will never read it) There is not much more to say anyway until we see what GGG gives us.

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XForsakenX wrote:

Hopefully they don't change it, cause then another group will just start crying about how it's just so unfair. Nothing's Broken, sometimes you get something good sometimes you don't that's life move on, get over it.

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

But now, the timers will be extended to such a degree that there is no ‘loot tension’ at all? Granted, it’s a ‘option’ but there is no reason to believe that all public games won’t use it.