I vote for choice. Let us choose the loot system. If not then let us be able to kill the asshole that takes the loot before we can get to it and have him have a chance of dropping an equipped item. There is currently 0 retribution and plenty of story line within the game that involves other people helping other people.
I have a few level 40's, 57, 60, and a 74. Due to slight lag and a little FPS issues when in groups I have not looted a single thing in a group of any value above a chaos orb for 4+ months now. I have quit all my characters due to lack of gear or funds to move forward and rerolled too many times to count. This last week I have had to watch 2 uniques worth over 8 exalts a piece be picked up because I can't even get to it quick enough when it is 4 steps away. I lost a divine today for the same reason, the only one I have ever seen drop. I can't stand it and have been trying to reroll a character that does not ever need to party, but so far I am finding this incredibly hard. My stashbox is sad since I have only seen one exalt drop when soloing the entire time I have played and 2 gcp.
Sick of it and this will eventually cause me to quit if not changed to choice. I like grouping but refuse to do it as much as possible currently.
P.S.
Sick and tired of clicking to loot item only to run to it and not pick it up at all, then trying to click again to loot and someone else already has it or it makes my character run away somewhere.
Last edited by johnce6#2478 on Apr 17, 2013, 1:16:52 AM
It's not about greed. It' about making a better game, and in most cases people do not know what they want, and if they get what they want they just want something else.
It's about greed.
It's greed that motivates you to post here and invent nonsensical claptrap about game quality. It's greed that drives you, COMPELS you to come to this thread and do anything, everything in your power, flailing in abject desperation in the bitter, dire hope that somehow, somewhere, a GGG developer is watching your valiant efforts to defend pure, unadulterated, sadistic greed. And that tingling sensation in your naughty bits? That's your reaction at the thought of inspiring the developers to maintain the current environment of bullying and abuse.
How sad for you, then, that the developers have at last grown up.
"
I lose lots of loot, and i find lots of loot. Honestly, you have to be an exceptional slacker or an insane ninjalooter to get more than +/- 15% of loot you deserve.
Then why do you care?
Pointing out for you the inherent, stunningly obvious contradictory nature of your supposed argument is pointless, of course. You're not actually purporting to believe the drivel you spew. We all know that. We all know it's a front. But for those playing along at home, wondering at the astounding mindlessness of such a simple conflict having stretched on for nine hundred inane pages, I'll go through the exercise.
WHY do you CARE about those of us who, for reasons clearly beyond your grasp, would happen to prefer to play a game in an environment that's conducive, rather than antagonistic, to having fun with friends? How does this affect YOUR game experience in the slightest? How are WE, those of us who are friends together, play together, cooperate together, going to affect YOUR enjoyment of the game? Aside from the fact, of course, that we get to stay the hell away from you?
The truth of course is that you don't. You don't care. We could rot in the sun for all it matters to you. Nor are you deigning to speak from some high horse about game quality or similar poppycock. No. Your motives are abundantly clear. Without FFA, you can't steal from newbies. Without FFA, you can't abuse other players, bully other players. Without FFA, YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN.
Why not just say it, then? Why not admit it? To yourself, to everyone else? Pro tip, by the way: we already know. We've known all along. It's really no secret. Your fellow FFA players know. The anti-FFA players know. The devs all know. It's your primary motivation; it's your sole motivation. Vicious, slobbering greed. It drives you. It FUELS you. It seduces you, whispers in your ear of that glorious, delicious moment when you lunge forth and snatch that super rare unique item from the slowbie, then pause, hands clasped in delight as the player begins to wonder at your motivations. Oh, the sweet joy, the purest rapture, as the salty newbie tears flow! Om nom nom!
Go on. Say it. Just once, in this sick, ridiculous thread, I'd like one monster to admit to his monstrousness. Just once, just for the sheer novelty of it, I'd like to see one so-called ninja looter look me square in the eye and say, yep, I enjoy, I PREFER stealing from players, bullying players, abusing players.
But alas, the true nature of the bully is cowardice. My wish will linger forever unfulfilled. It's so close, though. So tantalizingly close. I can smell it on the wind. Here, for example:
"
It just happens to be so that some of the most vibrant memories will be regarding won and lost loot, because it adds flavor and depth to the game.
Can you sense it? It lingers, just below the surface. It clings to every word. Just the barest hint. Vibrant memories. Loot won, and loot lost. "Flavor" and "depth"; we all know what those terms mean to ninja looters, don't we, folks?
"
I would claim its your greed that makes you unable to cope with the fact that something which "had your name on it" may escape your grasp. You can't seem to deal with that at all. But whatever, these "who is the more greedy"-arguments dont lead to anything.
Yes, yes, taunt the players. Taunt them, and mock them, and ridicule and berate them. Smile as you mock them, a wide, joker-esque, macabre and wild-eyed grin of sinful pleasure, of open delight at the suffering of others. Keep it up. All eyes are upon you, now.
"
GGG knows the best game is with FFA loot, but they also know that most players are softspined, and so they give them this option because of that.
That's the spirit. Drive it home, now! The final blow!
"
All in all its only when i am nice i feel your case, if i have to be for real then you are just the crying masses.
Oh... OH!!! An orgasmic crescendo of derision, a glorious apex of cruelty and wickedness. Your task is complete; your victim lies in ruin. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Aha i see you have written a large wall of garbage content, about 80% of which is focused on my person for the simple reason that you don't agree with me.
I feel kinda special now.
Well, since we are resorting to low level arguments about who is the bigger greeder, lets get at it shall we.
You claim it is my greed, yet, it appears you are the one who cannot accept to lose something with your name on it. It appears it you who can't handle playing normally in an ARPG. Why is this? Simply because your greed hurts so much you cannot take it. You cannot let go of your greed. The problem is yours, yet i am sure it would make you feel better if you can blame someone else.
In your dreamworld you would love to imagine how i am abusing FFA loot to take just about everything from everyone, and how i never lose anything.
That is not the case. Neither do i leave a party if its full of all fast ninjalooters, i enjoy it, even if it means i will only get my share or even less when i am slacking, because i know it creates a more memorable game instead of "standard level: content".
Admittedly, it can get frustrating sometimes, life is never straight down the road, and i can recognize the type of frustration that comes from having insufficient ability compared to those around you when i see how all of you feel so tight on this topic. It's like touching a wound. It's honestly mad coz bad there is no other way to say it.
All who do not want FFA loot are mad coz bad. All who want FFA loot are greedy ninjalooters.
That is the full extend of your own argument, and since it you are arguing for no FFA, then, by your own reasoning, you must be bad.
The crying masses will always attempt to cry their way to rights that will protect them and give them something they have not earned, because by definition they are not as good as the better, and therefore cannot gain it through performance alone. Since they are the mediocre masses they will also be affected by lack of wisdom and forethought, which results in many suffering from bad habbits such desire, envy. To beg for rules to protect you from your true worth being reflected is the crying masses way of gaining power. If it works they are habitual creatures who will not stop, as all humans are.
In addition, ability to play, level of frustration with FFA and how much you contribute to group play is all proportional if your sample size is great enough, and hence, the less that you get is offset by what you in general bring to a party. You must look at the bigger picture. You just want to get carried, get more loot than your performance reflects. This is undeserved loot, taken away from those who earned it.
And i am sorry to break it to you, but the devs, by implementing free choice, are recognizing that there are just too many baddies out there, and they also want them to be able to play. How else would have find someone to ninjaloot from? They do however know exactly how this type of game is best played and if they had to choose only one there would be no doubt in their minds. It's all in the manifesto, read between the lines.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
Last edited by Crackmonster#7709 on Apr 17, 2013, 6:39:57 AM
Aha i see you have written a large wall of garbage content, about 80% of which is focused on my person for the simple reason that you don't agree with me.
I feel kinda special now.
Don't flatter yourself. As I explicitly stated in the content -- which, as expected, you've blithely ignored -- it's not about you. Not even remotely. But of course, this, too must necessarily escape you, since everything needs to be about you. Such is the wont in life of the cowardly bully.
"
Well, since we are resorting to low level arguments about who is the bigger greeder, lets get at it shall we.
Oh, how delightful! Pardon me whilst I clap my hands excitedly.
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You claim it is my greed, yet, it appears you are the one who cannot accept to lose something with your name on it.
The rest of this exercise will be entertaining for everyone, but this point, here and now, is really the heart of the matter. The very DEFINITION of greed lies completely beyond your grasp. You are unable (not even unwilling; this doesn't even necessary speak toward character) to understand the fundamental distinction between defense of one's own and the lust for that which is possessed by others. To you, they are one and the same. To you, there is no line to cross, no inherent sense of respect or compassion to be held ideal.
To you, only the strong deserve victory; this you would call bravery, when it is in fact the most base form of cowardice. To you, only the merciless deserve reward; this you would label honor, when it is in fact the simplest manifestation of a wholly psychopathic lack of empathy. To you, only the passionate deserve the world; this you would call determination, when it is really an addiction to inflicting misery and suffering on those who you are convinced are your inferiors.
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It appears it you who can't handle playing normally in an ARPG. Why is this? Simply because your greed hurts so much you cannot take it. You cannot let go of your greed. The problem is yours, yet i am sure it would make you feel better if you can blame someone else.
"This game isn't for you"? Really? After nine hundred pages? This same old, tired rag? Tsk, tsk. I must say, I'd hoped for better.
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In your dreamworld you would love to imagine how i am abusing FFA loot to take just about everything from everyone, and how i never lose anything.
That is not the case. Neither do i leave a party if its full of all fast ninjalooters, i enjoy it, even if it means i will only get my share or even less when i am slacking, because i know it creates a more memorable game instead of "standard level: content".
Herein I will agree: parties full of ninjalooters are indeed the most memorable. I myself can fondly recall the few times I dared wade into the public arena, only to discover myself accompanied by individuals of your ilk, forced to discover the deep thrill of "loot tension" (it's a two-step process: somebody takes my loot; I get tense). But these are not the sorts of memories I cherish. Neither do nine hundred pages of others. This is what has inspired the devs to change their games. Us. Not you.
"
Admittedly, it can get frustrating sometimes, life is never straight down the road, and i can recognize the type of frustration that comes from having insufficient ability compared to those around you when i see how all of you feel so tight on this topic. It's like touching a wound. It's honestly mad coz bad there is no other way to say it.
Your compassion is so gratifying. Yes, indeed, there's nothing that so warms the heart as the gentle pat on the head from the very person who just stole your wallet.
"
All who do not want FFA loot are mad coz bad. All who want FFA loot are greedy ninjalooters.
That is the full extend of your own argument, and since it you are arguing for no FFA, then, by your own reasoning, you must be bad.
Um, okay. I'm a "bad" player. I'm terrible at the game, just awful. I'm slow, I'm incompetent. I stand in fire. I'm undeserving of the rich, delicious thrill of the ninja looting experience. And you're a better player than me. I envy you. You're awesome, I suck. There. Do I get to stay the hell away from you, now? Can I be guaranteed not to be abused and bullied in a goddamn video game, now?
"
The crying masses will always attempt to cry their way to rights that will protect them and give them something they have not earned, because by definition they are not as good as the better, and therefore cannot gain it through performance alone. Since they are the mediocre masses they will also be affected by lack of wisdom and forethought, which results in many suffering from bad habbits such desire, envy. To beg for rules to protect you from your true worth being reflected is the crying masses way of gaining power. If it works they are habitual creatures who will not stop, as all humans are.
Pity is the only emotion that I'm capable of conjuring forth for you. Quiet, soft, incredulous pity. I can only feel sorry for any human being who is so thoroughly convinced at the supposedly inherent baseness of human nature. Luckily for the rest of us, and contrary to the exception, humanity is largely comprised of generous, compassionate beings, who look out for one another, help one another, work together cooperatively for a better world for all.
Thus it is that we each seek the ideal fantasy world that best reflects our preferred reality. Some of us prefer a world where people cooperate; thus, we seek video games where mutual cooperation to mutual benefit is idealized. The few, the exceptions, the greedy opportunists, prefer a reflection of their dark, inner selves, where anarchy rules the day. Luckily, the devs now seem interested in providing environments that cater to each of our desires. Except, of course, for the part where you get to force us to experience yours. Sorry, dude. Life's hard. Wear a helmet.
"
In addition, ability to play, level of frustration with FFA and how much you contribute to group play is all proportional if your sample size is great enough, and hence, the less that you get is offset by what you in general bring to a party. You must look at the bigger picture. You just want to get carried, get more loot than your performance reflects. This is undeserved loot, taken away from those who earned it.
Stealing is not earning. It is the thief, not the fighter, who seeks to be carried by others. Your fake arguments have been steadily rolling downhill, but you're really reaching with this one. I think it might be time for your nap.
"
And i am sorry to break it to you, but the devs, by implementing free choice, are recognizing that there are just too many baddies out there, and they also want them to be able to play. How else would have find someone to ninjaloot from? They do however know exactly how this type of game is best played and if they had to choose only one there would be no doubt in their minds. It's all in the manifesto, read between the lines.
Wait... was this intended to be some sort of a taunt? Are you... trying to make me cry, or feel bad about myself or something? It's hard to tell, admittedly. You must be out of practice.
Keep at it, though. I'm listening. We're all listening.
GREENS vs. REDS: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/246#p811501
The Prisoner's Dilemma: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/262#p813428
Lethal_papercut's discussion with Chris: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/235#p806542
It's not about greed. It' about making a better game, and in most cases people do not know what they want, and if they get what they want they just want something else.
It's about greed.
It's greed that motivates you to post here and invent nonsensical claptrap about game quality. It's greed that drives you, COMPELS you to come to this thread and do anything, everything in your power, flailing in abject desperation in the bitter, dire hope that somehow, somewhere, a GGG developer is watching your valiant efforts to defend pure, unadulterated, sadistic greed. And that tingling sensation in your naughty bits? That's your reaction at the thought of inspiring the developers to maintain the current environment of bullying and abuse.
How sad for you, then, that the developers have at last grown up.
"
I lose lots of loot, and i find lots of loot. Honestly, you have to be an exceptional slacker or an insane ninjalooter to get more than +/- 15% of loot you deserve.
Then why do you care?
Pointing out for you the inherent, stunningly obvious contradictory nature of your supposed argument is pointless, of course. You're not actually purporting to believe the drivel you spew. We all know that. We all know it's a front. But for those playing along at home, wondering at the astounding mindlessness of such a simple conflict having stretched on for nine hundred inane pages, I'll go through the exercise.
WHY do you CARE about those of us who, for reasons clearly beyond your grasp, would happen to prefer to play a game in an environment that's conducive, rather than antagonistic, to having fun with friends? How does this affect YOUR game experience in the slightest? How are WE, those of us who are friends together, play together, cooperate together, going to affect YOUR enjoyment of the game? Aside from the fact, of course, that we get to stay the hell away from you?
The truth of course is that you don't. You don't care. We could rot in the sun for all it matters to you. Nor are you deigning to speak from some high horse about game quality or similar poppycock. No. Your motives are abundantly clear. Without FFA, you can't steal from newbies. Without FFA, you can't abuse other players, bully other players. Without FFA, YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN.
Why not just say it, then? Why not admit it? To yourself, to everyone else? Pro tip, by the way: we already know. We've known all along. It's really no secret. Your fellow FFA players know. The anti-FFA players know. The devs all know. It's your primary motivation; it's your sole motivation. Vicious, slobbering greed. It drives you. It FUELS you. It seduces you, whispers in your ear of that glorious, delicious moment when you lunge forth and snatch that super rare unique item from the slowbie, then pause, hands clasped in delight as the player begins to wonder at your motivations. Oh, the sweet joy, the purest rapture, as the salty newbie tears flow! Om nom nom!
Go on. Say it. Just once, in this sick, ridiculous thread, I'd like one monster to admit to his monstrousness. Just once, just for the sheer novelty of it, I'd like to see one so-called ninja looter look me square in the eye and say, yep, I enjoy, I PREFER stealing from players, bullying players, abusing players.
But alas, the true nature of the bully is cowardice. My wish will linger forever unfulfilled. It's so close, though. So tantalizingly close. I can smell it on the wind. Here, for example:
"
It just happens to be so that some of the most vibrant memories will be regarding won and lost loot, because it adds flavor and depth to the game.
Can you sense it? It lingers, just below the surface. It clings to every word. Just the barest hint. Vibrant memories. Loot won, and loot lost. "Flavor" and "depth"; we all know what those terms mean to ninja looters, don't we, folks?
"
I would claim its your greed that makes you unable to cope with the fact that something which "had your name on it" may escape your grasp. You can't seem to deal with that at all. But whatever, these "who is the more greedy"-arguments dont lead to anything.
Yes, yes, taunt the players. Taunt them, and mock them, and ridicule and berate them. Smile as you mock them, a wide, joker-esque, macabre and wild-eyed grin of sinful pleasure, of open delight at the suffering of others. Keep it up. All eyes are upon you, now.
"
GGG knows the best game is with FFA loot, but they also know that most players are softspined, and so they give them this option because of that.
That's the spirit. Drive it home, now! The final blow!
"
All in all its only when i am nice i feel your case, if i have to be for real then you are just the crying masses.
Oh... OH!!! An orgasmic crescendo of derision, a glorious apex of cruelty and wickedness. Your task is complete; your victim lies in ruin. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Aha i see you have written a large wall of garbage content, about 80% of which is focused on my person for the simple reason that you don't agree with me.
I feel kinda special now.
Well, since we are resorting to low level arguments about who is the bigger greeder, lets get at it shall we.
You claim it is my greed, yet, it appears you are the one who cannot accept to lose something with your name on it. It appears it you who can't handle playing normally in an ARPG. Why is this? Simply because your greed hurts so much you cannot take it. You cannot let go of your greed. The problem is yours, yet i am sure it would make you feel better if you can blame someone else.
In your dreamworld you would love to imagine how i am abusing FFA loot to take just about everything from everyone, and how i never lose anything.
That is not the case. Neither do i leave a party if its full of all fast ninjalooters, i enjoy it, even if it means i will only get my share or even less when i am slacking, because i know it creates a more memorable game instead of "standard level: content".
Admittedly, it can get frustrating sometimes, life is never straight down the road, and i can recognize the type of frustration that comes from having insufficient ability compared to those around you when i see how all of you feel so tight on this topic. It's like touching a wound. It's honestly mad coz bad there is no other way to say it.
All who do not want FFA loot are mad coz bad. All who want FFA loot are greedy ninjalooters.
That is the full extend of your own argument, and since it you are arguing for no FFA, then, by your own reasoning, you must be bad.
The crying masses will always attempt to cry their way to rights that will protect them and give them something they have not earned, because by definition they are not as good as the better, and therefore cannot gain it through performance alone. Since they are the mediocre masses they will also be affected by lack of wisdom and forethought, which results in many suffering from bad habbits such desire, envy. To beg for rules to protect you from your true worth being reflected is the crying masses way of gaining power. If it works they are habitual creatures who will not stop, as all humans are.
In addition, ability to play, level of frustration with FFA and how much you contribute to group play is all proportional if your sample size is great enough, and hence, the less that you get is offset by what you in general bring to a party. You must look at the bigger picture. You just want to get carried, get more loot than your performance reflects. This is undeserved loot, taken away from those who earned it.
And I am sorry to break it to you, but the devs, by implementing free choice, are recognizing that there are just too many baddies out there, and they also want them to be able to play. How else would have find someone to ninjaloot from? They do however know exactly how this type of game is best played and if they had to choose only one there would be no doubt in their minds. It's all in the manifesto, read between the lines.
Stopping all combat to camp an item is sad.
Yes, the crying masses whining about not being able to take more than their fair share because they are self centred, the irony.
The game evenly distributes items, they just have timers so the greedy have a chance to take more, to the detriment of the game flow and peace of mind of everyone else.
You want to fap to how many timer based items you can steal? Best go do that with like minded people then.
Just read your posts. Its pretty obvious that you like FFA because you not only get your loot, but also get a chance at taking loot that rolled with priority to another player. You stated that you camp on everyone's drops and feel that you are entitled to have everything that drops if you get to it first. In my book everything you post just shouts 'IM A GREEDY ASSHOLE, DON'T GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS BECAUSE THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE A GREEDY ASSHOLE AS EASILY'
...Wow. The stupid level in the thread is beyond comparison. And now im starting to understand GGG motive for giving loot otpions.
I've made it very clear as to why i like FFA loot. In fact I must have stated it a million times in this damn thread. Even explained it to you like 4 times straight.
This enitre thread is is filled with all kinds of stupid.
People like you where always too stupid to understand what a chance timer meant. It never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever meant that drops belongs to you.
They made the game FFA. Ranged players/laggy players CRIED and they put in a stupid, chance timer to give people a CHANCE. Stupid people thought this meant ownership of the drop. Like you think it means. As if players should just ingore drops they see just 'because'.
Even if they extend the timer to 24 HOURS it will never belong to you until you pick the damn thing up.
Which is pretty funny that stupid people keep asking for longer timers... And loot options.
When what you really want is INSTANCED LOOT. As along as a timer exists and other people can see the loot that drops people will wait if they NEED/WANT the drop.
Last edited by Vooodu#7002 on Apr 17, 2013, 8:51:00 AM
Well, since we are resorting to low level arguments about who is the bigger greeder, lets get at it shall we.
You claim it is my greed, yet, it appears you are the one who cannot accept to lose something with your name on it. It appears it you who can't handle playing normally in an ARPG. Why is this? Simply because your greed hurts so much you cannot take it. You cannot let go of your greed. The problem is yours, yet i am sure it would make you feel better if you can blame someone else.
In your dreamworld you would love to imagine how i am abusing FFA loot to take just about everything from everyone, and how i never lose anything.
That is not the case. Neither do i leave a party if its full of all fast ninjalooters, i enjoy it, even if it means i will only get my share or even less when i am slacking, because i know it creates a more memorable game instead of "standard level: content".
Admittedly, it can get frustrating sometimes, life is never straight down the road, and i can recognize the type of frustration that comes from having insufficient ability compared to those around you when i see how all of you feel so tight on this topic. It's like touching a wound. It's honestly mad coz bad there is no other way to say it.
All who do not want FFA loot are mad coz bad. All who want FFA loot are greedy ninjalooters.
That is the full extend of your own argument, and since it you are arguing for no FFA, then, by your own reasoning, you must be bad.
The crying masses will always attempt to cry their way to rights that will protect them and give them something they have not earned, because by definition they are not as good as the better, and therefore cannot gain it through performance alone. Since they are the mediocre masses they will also be affected by lack of wisdom and forethought, which results in many suffering from bad habbits such desire, envy. To beg for rules to protect you from your true worth being reflected is the crying masses way of gaining power. If it works they are habitual creatures who will not stop, as all humans are.
In addition, ability to play, level of frustration with FFA and how much you contribute to group play is all proportional if your sample size is great enough, and hence, the less that you get is offset by what you in general bring to a party. You must look at the bigger picture. You just want to get carried, get more loot than your performance reflects. This is undeserved loot, taken away from those who earned it.
And i am sorry to break it to you, but the devs, by implementing free choice, are recognizing that there are just too many baddies out there, and they also want them to be able to play. How else would have find someone to ninjaloot from? They do however know exactly how this type of game is best played and if they had to choose only one there would be no doubt in their minds. It's all in the manifesto, read between the lines.
Wow, this post pretty much says it all. Theres nothing really more to say. This is the 100% TRUTH and basically points out just how pathetic people really are.
lulz.
Last edited by Vooodu#7002 on Apr 17, 2013, 9:09:05 AM
