Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" Would someone who enjoys FFA please explain to me why you would choose it among the options? I really don't see it being very popular if a system like this was implemented. I am a fan of D3's system (not really anything else) but to be honest the only thought I could possibly have for selecting that option(not timed) is....Hmm maybe I can hog the loot from the other players in this game.... I am willing to bet that is the thought that most people have when they think of a completely FFA loot system so why is it even being entertained? Is it competitive? Yes. Is it fun? According to most players No. Does this competitive aspect need to be in the game at all? I know that this game is currently using a timed method but the timer is so short that it poses the same problems but just to a slightly lesser degree. Sorry about posting a second time, I guess I just had some more thougths to get out :) Standard Forever Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Jul 10, 2012, 8:10:40 AM
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Just a note to follow up my long post from yesterday. For whatever reason this was running through my head and I felt a better way to explain it was this:
"Co-operative" by definition means working together. When you join a group to play a game like this, you are working together to finish missions, kill enemies to level up, and find loot. The thought of looting being "cutthroat" in a "co-op" environment is counter intuitive. This is not "competitive multiplayer". I think this is why the overwhelming feedback is to keep loot separate. |
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While I think GGG came up with an interesting compromise, it still has issues like many have pointed out before.
Allocated loot is easily one of my favorite feature of Diablo 3. It promotes cooperation and it just makes the game more enjoyable. I can tell you right now that if a very rare item dropped for my class and I failed to pick it up for some reason, I would rage quit the game immediately. The issue with FFA and the proposed compromise is that it moves the focus of the game from the combat to the loot. While finding loot is one of the main reasons why people like playing ARPGs, most people do it primarily because they enjoy building their character and slaying monsters. The looting aspect of the game needs to enhance the combat by rewarding the players for slaying monsters, it should not distract from the experience by forcing people to stop fighting in order to gather loot. With that said, I realize that some people like FFA, so my suggestion would be to let the "host" decide what the loot rules are before creating the game. There is no better option than to let the players play the game the way they want to. Last edited by RicHSAD#3952 on Jul 10, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
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If missing one drop makes you quit the game, you shouldn't be playing the game.
That being said, if there are options: everyone's happy. If you take away those options to force everyone to "share": more people will be angry. If you see a group using a loot option you don't like, don't join that group. In a game about full-customizability (type that 3 times fast), why would you want to dismiss options? _____________________________________________
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" Certainly don't want to dismiss options. I was thinking about it from a coding perspective and imagined it would be easier to set a "static" setting for each game mode. If GGG can allow the "party leader" of a game on servers to have the option for public/private loot, then I'm certainly for that option. In my mind that is a lot more complex than what I suggested but of course, GGG are the experts not me with some simple coding background. :) Just to note - I didn't say quit the game. I said people would stop playing co-op. Last edited by Porsha#6326 on Jul 10, 2012, 2:35:30 PM
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Not you, the guy just before my post:
" From my programming experience, if you can make it one way AND you can make it the other way, you can easily make it both ways. With all this talk of completely doing away with semi-FFA loot, I just wanted to voice my "pro-choice" opinion because I do like the setup they currently have and think it'd be a shame to waste. I've "missed" a lot of drops, but I'll still play co-op because the drops I get will still be much better than the ones I get playing solo. It also makes you think about your group. If you're with a bunch of strangers, you don't know what they're going to do. But over time, you'll find great people to group with and terrible people to stay away from. _____________________________________________
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" I am also pro choice. You do recognize one of the problems though when you say "It also makes you think about your group", What FFA looting does for most people is make them want to avoid playing with strangers completely because missing one drop is not what makes people rage quit....its missing that one drop that you have been waiting 100+ HOURS for that was snaked away from you by a leach. Standard Forever
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" Exactly that^ That's why I said if a UNIQUE Axe dropped and some Witch in my co-op game grabbed it before I could get there I would be livid and regardless of what anyone else thinks, that WILL ruin co-op for many people. |
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If you want people to play with strangers, have an allocated loot system like D3.
This reason alone is enough ensure me wanting to play solo being a range class. |
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It should be party leaders' choice. But I'm willing to bet a majority of people would rather join groups where the loot drops are not FFA.
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