today is a sad day for PoE

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Cynwulf wrote:

I spent about 30 seconds wondering if he did pay to "win" before I realised that I don't know and don't care. Maybe he did, maybe he just played every minute of his waking life and was backed by half a dozen other heavy players. I've seen that done on other games.

People with more disposible money than me spend it on all sorts of things, often trivial. Someone spends £5000 on a watch...does that stop my watch working properly? No. Does it stop places selling watches that work properly for £5? No. So why should I care? There's an effect on me in PoE if the devs scale the game to account for people who use 3rd party real money trading, but I'm not convinced that they are doing so and there's nothing I can do about it if they are. If I decide that they are and that as a result PoE is no longer fun for me to play, I'll stop playing. It's not like it's my job or my home - it's a game. A thing I use to pass the time in a way that entertains me. The amount of entertainment I've had from it justifies the amount of money I've spent on it.

I'm L78 and I've pretty much run out of game...but endgame content is always an issue and PoE doesn't even have the intended endgame content yet! The game isn't finished.

So, my summary of this thread and the whole issue is...tiny woo.

well the watch point was pretty dumb... the reason people care about this specific case its because its a COMPETITION

not much of a competition when HvR is like 6 levels above anyone else who is not his personal map group, but deep down it was still a race to first man to hit 100 until now.

The point is tho, havoc did not buy any currency and did not take part in any RMT trading such as D2JSP forum gold.

Now im not saying some of the people he played with never did that....BUT NOT HIM PERSONALLY

So any arguments are completely invalid twards him

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BuDiu wrote:

The point is tho, [censored] did not buy any currency and did not take part in any RMT trading such as D2JSP forum gold.

Now im not saying some of the people he played with never did that....BUT NOT HIM PERSONALLY

So any arguments are completely invalid twards him

How are you so sure? Because you said so? That's not an argument either. Truth is, there's no way to know for sure that he didn't.

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BuDiu wrote:

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Ah, so I take it you're the budiu22 that HvR was accused of being.

How does this even effect people's games even if he did cheat? Just concentrate on your own character, screw what others are doing.

If there is proof of cheating, you send that to support.

If you are just a butthurt punk, post your accusations to the forums.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Today, let it be known, that cheaters prosper in PoE.

As lethal_papercut said, " RIP PoE integrity".

Proof other than hearsay?

I'm going to explain a little bit about how this 100 push worked.

First off, it's not HVR alone. It isn't even 6 people together. Over the course of the run, literally dozens of people have contributed maps and materials. HVR has been one of the prime contributors, obtained via luck and huge playtime, but this 100 represents the accumulated wealth of many, many people.

Second, there are plenty of wealthy people in the group, but the idea that you have to RMT to be wealthy is ludicrous. Either via lucky drops or shrewd trading, or just playing too damn much, wealth accumulates. (I'm not wealthy, but if I hadn't dumped wealth into two other characters and made some bad decisions, I'd have 70ex of liquid currency to be burning on maps. This is just from playing the game and selling the shit I find.)

On sustaining maps. Yes, you have to periodically buy high level maps, as average map level slowly degenerates towards 74 with the amount of chaos that was being put in. But this is not something you need to do every 3rd map or something ridiculous. Sometimes you get screwed, but with a large group you can assemble a base big enough map base to withstand runs of bad luck, with plenty of 74s to quickly run to get back to 75+ if necessary.

I can't guarantee that none of the maps or orbs weren't purchased. That's not something I can know for sure. Frankly, assuming that people at the top of the ladder RMT at rates equal to the general population, it seems likely that some were, just like any time you map with someone at any level there is a chance the orbs the guy is rolling with were RMTed.

Anyways, I'm sure this is going to look like disingenuous PR bullshit to some, but I wanted to give people a better idea of the process.

Is there any sort of "proof" or is it just the usual smearing/jellyness?
Cause if there`s proof (idk, i don`t follow this stuff) a ban should be mandatory,
my guess currently is...well usual jellyness.

But until he has been stated guilty by GGG i give a shit about random forum-threads and am kinda wondering why this thread still exists.

need vid with 600 ex orb

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BuDiu wrote:

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Ah, so I take it you're the budiu22 that HvR was accused of being.

Yes, he changed his forum name to iBruno.