The whole idea behind the so called “crafting system” in this game is wrong-headed.

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4phex wrote:

You are not the first (surely not the last) to be mad about crafting, I gave up my SC char because after 2-3 month of intense grinding/trading I had something like 10-15 exalt, and I spent all on currency to craft myself a bow. As I need to improve ALL my items, I didn't had the courage to put again 3 month per gear ^^. So I started HC and races, and their is a lot of fun here !

Spoiler

Not the best bow I know but still a huge improvment for me regarding my previous bow.

Just to say I understand your point =) But I have several questions :

When you started POE, what did you know about the game, how have you seen your gameplay/game experience (before playing it) ? What were your expectations, in terms of content/mechanics and patience (how much time do you consider reasonnable to wait until you have substantial updates)

Answering your questions:
Started PoE in the half of march
I'm playing games from ZX 81 times. Long long ago. And having much time I do it a lot when I lake a game.
Reasoneble time? Two long evenings (like 6-7) hours of play should result in reasonable progress or a progress at all - means change in your gear and power. And the change should be NOTICEABLE in the gameplay.
These are my expectations.

I can bend them a bit when the game delivers fun in some other fields like the feel of slaughtering mobs (the case with PoE) but here... all the boundaries had been crossed.
And don't forget this is not only the case of a LONG WAIT for progress this is the case of DOWNGRADING and backing up as a "reward" for your efforts.
And the waiting time is like 20 levels in my case, which is 3/4 of the playing time.

Well don't have the solution for you : /
I can only link you this thread where some items are offered or sold for cheap prices, maybe you'll find something to improve your gear :
www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/172084/

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RogueMage wrote:

The socket side of crafting really only needs two tweaks to make it workable:

1. Change Jeweler's Orbs to produce no fewer sockets than before.

2. Change Orbs of Fusing to produce no fewer links than before.

That would eliminate the sadistic aspect of the RNG mechanism and quell the fear and loathing around socket crafting. Getting the socket configuration you need would then just be a matter of time and resources:

Tweaks? So with a level 50 + item and about a dozen orbs, I get a 6 link? Awesome idea, im sure it wouldn't unbalance the game at all....

Is that a real suggestion?

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Synner wrote:

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RogueMage wrote:

The socket side of crafting really only needs two tweaks to make it workable:

1. Change Jeweler's Orbs to produce no fewer sockets than before.

2. Change Orbs of Fusing to produce no fewer links than before.

That would eliminate the sadistic aspect of the RNG mechanism and quell the fear and loathing around socket crafting. Getting the socket configuration you need would then just be a matter of time and resources:

Tweaks? So with a level 50 + item and about a dozen orbs, I get a 6 link? Awesome idea, im sure it wouldn't unbalance the game at all....

Is that a real suggestion?

The chance to get a 6-link would be exactly the same, you just don't have the chance of getting 3 links from a 5-linked item.

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2ofSpades wrote:

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Synner wrote:

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RogueMage wrote:

The socket side of crafting really only needs two tweaks to make it workable:

1. Change Jeweler's Orbs to produce no fewer sockets than before.

2. Change Orbs of Fusing to produce no fewer links than before.

That would eliminate the sadistic aspect of the RNG mechanism and quell the fear and loathing around socket crafting. Getting the socket configuration you need would then just be a matter of time and resources:

Tweaks? So with a level 50 + item and about a dozen orbs, I get a 6 link? Awesome idea, im sure it wouldn't unbalance the game at all....

Is that a real suggestion?

The chance to get a 6-link would be exactly the same, you just don't have the chance of getting 3 links from a 5-linked item.

This. I don't see what is so hard to understand about the suggestion, and anyone against it is just not worth debating with. I'm perfectly fine with spending 2000 Fusings to get a 6 link; I'm not fine with spending 500 fusings to get a 5 link, and then on my 501st orb, going for the 6 link, it gives me 3 two links, that's plain broken, frustrating, nonsensical bullshit.

It took me 16 fusings to 3 link this , it started with one link, and then 15 fusings later, it was a zero link, as the previous 14 fusings either removed all links, or gave me one link; and this is just a three socket item. Anyone that doesn't see anything wrong with that is beyond reasoning with.

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UnderOmerta wrote:

The definition of craft implies skill and production, not luck and destruction.

I'm not actually not sure if GGG started referring to orbing things as crafting, or if that language was the fault of the players. Honestly I think the players started it.

A better name is obviously gambling. PoE does not have a crafting system, it has a gambling system. Gambling systems are fun for many people, but not if theyre expecting crafting.

So we as the community should probably try to address this problem of terminology, as expectations are a massive factor in happiness.

QFT

there is no crafting system in PoE. so why folks are all in a twist about it is beyond me. the orbs are not crafting materials, they do not want crafting in the game, they want it to be a huge lottery. It is a huge lottery. So there is nothing to fix, unless you just want better odds - a suggestion that I could get behind. But deterministic crafting is going to be limited to the + quality items (shards and the like). If you do not like a lottery system, PoE is not for you.

Maybe I am wrong and they will do a complete 360 in their stance since the start of CB, but I highly doubt it. One more thread about not liking a lottery isn't likely to sway them either.

And bolding every other sentence makes it difficult to read and makes it seem like you are just screaming. Which is really what this thread is, a place to rage.

So.. locked.

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also, if you like to be taken seriously I wouldn't start the discussion by telling your potential readers that you do not want to hear feedback contrary to your ideas. Makes no sense to do that in a public forum.