I deleted Path of exile for more reasons and i will never play this game again!

"

Turtledove wrote:

I think the OP makes some good points about PoE weaknesses. I think that they are just not presented well. For example, the OP seems to imply that they are in competition with other players. That really doesn't make sense. I'm not sure that he really means it. Using build guides made by others is extremely common and a very good way to learn the game.

"

Blortad wrote:

"

Turtledove wrote:

I think the OP makes some good points about PoE weaknesses. I think that they are just not presented well. For example, the OP seems to imply that they are in competition with other players. That really doesn't make sense. I'm not sure that he really means it. Using build guides made by others is extremely common and a very good way to learn the game.

Build guides are absolutely a good way to learn about this or any game. The difference here is that with PoE it is essentially a required part of the learning process while with other games it isn't a necessity. That is a problem.

"

Turtledove wrote:

"

Blortad wrote:

"

Turtledove wrote:

I think the OP makes some good points about PoE weaknesses. I think that they are just not presented well. For example, the OP seems to imply that they are in competition with other players. That really doesn't make sense. I'm not sure that he really means it. Using build guides made by others is extremely common and a very good way to learn the game.

Build guides are absolutely a good way to learn about this or any game. The difference here is that with PoE it is essentially a required part of the learning process while with other games it isn't a necessity. That is a problem.

Agreed. On top of that even after one has learned the game, GGG keeps nerfing and buffing things to keep the game "fresh" but it then requires folks to study patch notes to keep up with the changes.

"

waiora wrote:

When was doctor cards even 18 div? Ive been sitting with one listed at 16 for probably 4 weeks and kinda forgot about it.

Seeing as the post was made on the 26th, he never got over that?

Look before you trade, or you will get scammed.

Not really the games vault if you dont read. Or take time to learn how it works. Thousands of people take a little time to learn it. Simply copy/pasting what you see on a yt video of a build and doing what the streamer does isnt going to get you anywhere, that just gets them views, and spoils your experience.

Can never understand why this generation of gamers can't play anything without a guide or reference. Some of the most fun games in history is where you play things at your own pace, discover, experiment and figure stuff out as you go.

"

jsuslak313 wrote:

"

muzein wrote:

Path of Exile is not a game one masters simply by playing the game. I assume this is what people are doing when they identify themselves as "casuals". It's evident if you've been playing for years but still don't understand why 'gear A' is better than 'gear B' for a given build because you have no idea what is scaling the damage or why.

And this quote right here is the MAIN PROBLEM. We aren't talking about mastery!!!!!!!! The goal is not min/maxing. Simple understanding you CAN ABSOLUTELY LEARN just by playing the game. Your first couple of builds will suck. It's a big game, and there is a learning curve. But you CAN LEARN without any kind of 3rd party tools or "looking things up". This game existed long before any of those 3rd party tools were invented and people did just fine. Sure, the overall game is a lot bigger but the underlying mechanics are NOT. Sure, there are advanced concepts that aren't clear in the game: cooldown recovery, defenses, Damage over Time, minions to name a few. But scaling a skill to a comfortable damage level to access all content? It is as simple as matching tags and getting the highest numbers. That is NOT complicated. It's how ALL rpgs work...

There seems to be massive confusion between mastery/mirror tier, and general success. Freaking new players seem to think that they should be entitled to ridiculous, years-long developed levels of power in the span of 3 months. 99% of the builds that are posted that people follow include knowledge and adjustments across YEARS of development. You can bet your ass the game is not going to give you all that up front, its something you earn by putting in the time and being willing to learn and experiment.

THIS is why people think meta builds are the ONLY way to play the game. They want that insane level of power, without any kind of experimentation or learning or failure. There will ALWAYS be a build or two each league that is super easy to play and build. But that severely limits your actual enjoyment of the game, or your ability to "replay" the game as it is designed for you to do. Once you start with broken mechanics you really know nothing about, everything else you try doesn't measure up and you get frustrated, blame the game, and ragequit.

If you don't even try, you learn nothing. If you immediately shoot for the mirrors, you will hit a wall and quit. Literally, in any game that you can buy or play, or even in anything in life: its a process. Older players and well-built guides are made by people who have put in the time and effort to actually play the game, test new things, learn new things, and put those ideas into action. If you as a player would just START by playing the game, rather than READING the game, you would be so much better off and your entire mindset around PoE would be so totally different.

I HATE IT SO MUCH when I watch a streamer tell their audience that new players should find a build they like and follow a guide. Or read posts when players say they got their friend to start playing and they tell them you have to watch this video, or read this guide, or do this build. NO!!!!! Just enjoy the goddamn game and learn by doing. Don't leech off of other people's knowledge until you really need it, because chances are they aren't providing the whole step by step picture of WHERE that knowledge came from and why it works.