The future of PoE with Chris Wilson - Podcast with @Mathilification

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Cosmonaut111 wrote:

There is a perfect game for that. its called diablo 3. You launch the game , follow a guide that is half a page long which tells you EXACTLY what to do , which items to use etc with zero variance and then you go and click on things to die. You are basicly mad that you have to actually learn a game rather than getting pre served content creator appertizers which tell you at any part of the game what to do. In this case ( even if i dont agree with the whiner statements ) THIS GAME IS SIMPLY NOT FOR YOU , and rather than changing yourself to adapt to the game you want the game to change to adapt to you

Diablo 3 is just bad, I don't even like it. But even in D3 you have to press more buttons than just 2 ...
Unlike in PoE: placing totems and using movement skill, FR totems at it's finest.

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KinJin91 wrote:

Oh really Chris, no offense but please publish a couple of GGG builds, would be quite interesting. It doesn't need to be god tier, but should fullfill following requirements:

Easy breh, one of them plays aurastacker and carries the rest.

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Anngrat wrote:

Ability to design your own build is heavily locked behind knowledge and time investment, gl in creating a new build if you play 2 hours max after work, spend a week or two to create useless garbage...

Wasn't that the entire appeal of PoE in the first place? This is a weird take.

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Anngrat wrote:

And we dont want to be good at this game, if it means that we need to inject houndreds of hours of learning(and a painful one) into our brains...

I don't even have words for this. I'm out of here.

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Revnaut wrote:

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Anngrat wrote:

Ability to design your own build is heavily locked behind knowledge and time investment, gl in creating a new build if you play 2 hours max after work, spend a week or two to create useless garbage...

Wasn't that the entire appeal of PoE in the first place? This is a weird take.

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Anngrat wrote:

And we dont want to be good at this game, if it means that we need to inject houndreds of hours of learning(and a painful one) into our brains...

I don't even have words for this. I'm out of here.

I play since synthesis, and all this time i was pretty what the entire appeal of poe is just good old hack-n-slash action, looks like i was wrong, huh


I think it's pretty simple that most of the casuals players measure the games with time/fun investment, it started to sink in 3.14 for me, went into disaster in 3.15...

And ye, this so much useless attentition to hard mode(btw you should play only it, correct?), what about casual/3.13 legacy mode?

I dont mind to pay 30/50/whatever bucks per month for it, it could be ssf, no challenges, voided in the end...

[Removed by Support] If you are casual then the meta is for you. Thats what you should play if you want to beat the game. Stop expecting your trash build, with trash tier items to do what the best builds with 50ex+ gear can. There are many builds that can beat the game on modarate budget. Mathil alone is proof of that. It takes him 5 days to beat the game with any given build, and he doesnt use super top tier op gear for it. He makes 1 such build every league (like int stacking wander os some crazy expensive shit) but its still not good enough for you.

You dont care about diversity, you dont care about viability , all you care about is to beat the game on any trash tier build. You want to do whatever you feel like and still win. You want to beat the game on 20c budget? Learn to play and use meta, that is the way casuals should take.

If streamers on SSF can beat a game within a week with 60 hours playtime, why cant you do it within 3 months? Even if you play 20 hours weekly you have 300 hours to do it but you still cant. You are the problem, not the game.

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KinJin91 wrote:

1) I am sorry that I am working fulltime and not living in mommys basement and got 20 hours a day on my hand to play this game. I do not have the time to test 100 different things. I have better things to do.
And where am I whining ? Chris offered to show off or give us hints so I am just asking.

You and me both know that it doesn't require you 20 hours a day to think, plan and execute a good build to beat most content in the game during a league. It certainly does not require you to live in your mommys basement. You know as well as me that a lot of players - with full time jobs, a wife, kids, whatever - are beating the game every single league. So that isn't even an argument. Why even try?

I ALWAYS make my own builds, and I usually beat Sirus 8 every league. I play between 20 and 30 hours a week, depending on my weekend plans. You know what? I have a job; I'm a teacher, which means that I even bring a lot of work home with me. I also have friends and a GF I like spending time with. Still beating Sirus every league.

PoE is a game that requires time. It's ALWAYS been that way, and it will always be that way. Sure, it requires a little bit more time this league than last, but it shouldn't really be a problem, if you already liked the game before, should it? Especially when we know that the atlas grind is getting "halved" next league.

This constant need/urge/entitlement of HAVING to be able to do EVERYTHING within weeks that some people are displaying? I just don't understand it. And this constant bullshit of having to be a streamer, no-lifer or "1%'er" to get anywhere in this game is just... False.

Now, if you're a NEW player, you shouldn't even KNOW about the hardest content, let alone demand to be able to do it. They should just enjoy the journey.

It took me literally a couple of seconds to look at your characters to point out my older comment.

@kuciol and @Phrazz

Gladiator full block and Raider dodge. As I said, very inventive. Holy macaroni.

And what is the talk about "beating the game". There is no start and there is no finish, your whole arguments makes no sense at all or you are unable to read my comment properly. It does not matter if someone needs 20 hours to "beat" it - by your definition - or someone that needs 200 hours.

The topic is about builds that GGG thinks are viable and noone has thought of. I am asking for one designed by GGG with the requirements I have described in my first comment.

Shouldn't be too difficult for the devs to help us out, should it?

For some people here it is too difficult to read ...

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KinJin91 wrote:

It took me literally a couple of seconds to look at your characters to point out my older comment.

@kuciol and @Phrazz

Gladiator full block and Raider dodge. As I said, very inventive. Holy macaroni.

And what is the talk about "beating the game". There is no start and there is no finish, your whole arguments makes no sense at all or you are unable to read my comment properly. It does not matter if someone needs 20 hours to "beat" it - by your definition - or someone that needs 200 hours.

The topic is about builds that GGG thinks are viable and noone has thought of. I am asking for one designed by GGG with the requirements I have described in my first comment.

Shouldn't be too difficult for the devs to help us out, should it?

For some people here it is too difficult to read ...

I didnt say i dont play meta, im casual, i follow my own advice you know? Beating the game for me means A8 and Maven, everything beyond that is just for epin points.

Making builds is not GGG's job, its content creators job. If you really need one you can ask Neon, he plays more then all of you forum warriors combined. He is the guy behind balancing you know? Again, there are tons of perfectly viable builds. Just copy one from Mathil or Ghazy or even Raiz and you are fine. There is enough proof of that on youtube so you dont have to ask stupid questions.

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KinJin91 wrote:

The topic is about builds that GGG thinks are viable and noone has thought of. I am asking for one designed by GGG with the requirements I have described in my first comment.

Thanks, in part, to PoB, I imagine there are very very few builds that have not been thought of.

the argument both chris and the streamers agreed on, was that a few builds become popular, but there are dozens that are content viable.

that doesnt mean they are any fun
that doesnt mean they are cheap to play
that doesnt mean they are league starters
etc.

yes, there is plenty of diversity that no one wants to actually use.

what people want is 10 RF totems per league, and what GGG is saying is "no, you can have 10 lacerate gladiators per league".


also, i think its perfectly acceptable for GGG to release intended use cases, not complete build guides. for instance, they release a new skill gem, and they tell you what 3/5 supports you should use with it. its not a build guide, but it lets you know what they were thinking with that new skill gem.

ive "sorta" built my own character, as i used to love lacerate gladiator, so i spent time to convert from axes to swords, from no-crit to crit, etc. and in the end, they werent significantly better, so largely taught me it was a waste of time, not a skill to learn. understanding how the passive tree works...

understanding when to skip a 5% life node for a 4% life + something else node, sure, everyone should learn that, but not complete, ground up, building.
by your 5th ish league of content, you see the similarities on all builds anyway. (minus content changes)