An ultimatum to GGG

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theD4nk0wl wrote:

Snow you've literally always been on the garbage end of the spectrum and now you're bragging about red maps. Whata nerf hipster

We need people to tell us we are wrong. The fact that he has no solid ground to stand just like GGG gives me some hope that we might be right on this. I have seen two people in this thread standing on the opposite side with solid arguments and disagreeing with the ultimatum. That is fair enough.

GGG confuses fun and frustration.

This league is a disaster, it's the first time I wanted to uninstall the game in 3500 hours.

It's slow and boring like never before.

Before getting one shot was frustrating but now it's all the time. After 1 week of league I am already bored, I can no longer.

The new flask system is awful. And worse, I find that I push down on my flask even more than before.

New players are going to be disgusted by the difficulty which doesn't make sense, it's a hack and slash, not a Dark Soul like. And even Dark Soul isn't that frustrating.

But what's even more problematic is that instead of adding more difficult content, GGG preferred to make existing content more difficult. It is sure that it is simpler for them, it requires a lot less work, they recycle the current content to avoid having to create new ones.

Did they think about the pleasure of the players? And more generally, are they really playing their game? It's a real question, how by testing this league, they could say that it would be fun for us. Why now do we have readjustment updates all the time 2 days after leaving the league? Are we their tester or their client?

Because let us remember that it is a game, that the ultimate goal is fun and in no case perpetual frustration.

I am so disappointed, and yet I am one of the players who like the difficulty, who found harvest too rewarding, who likes the complexity that POE offers compared to other games of the same genre.

I had managed to convince a friend to play this league with me, arriving on the map, he quits because "it's too complicated, I die all the time and I don't understand why".

I really have the impression that GGG has chosen the easy way for some time, when you compare Delve or Delirium leagues to what this league offers, it's a riddicle.

In short, I sincerely think that this league is the last for me, I am not having fun anymore and I do not see how that could be the case in these conditions.

Sorry for my English, it's not my mother tongue, I hope it's still understandable.

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Orbaal wrote:

Any company bowing down to an ultimatum is doomed - so is a game designed by the community or majority rule...

This is not how its done nor how it should be done.
Its fine to type this for shits & giggles, I just hope you are smart enough to know nothing will ever come from this

Totally agree, times/community can be unforgiving but developers should never let go of the design philosophies and the direction they want their game to go.
They made it this far, they have yet to cover uncharted grounds and they will, undoubtedly.

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Chalace2 wrote:

...and improve their metal health.

Thanks for the advice, i listened to good ol' this just in case.

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ShadowMn wrote:

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Orbaal wrote:

Any company bowing down to an ultimatum is doomed - so is a game designed by the community or majority rule...

This is not how its done nor how it should be done.
Its fine to type this for shits & giggles, I just hope you are smart enough to know nothing will ever come from this

Totally agree, times/community can be unforgiving but developers should never let go of the design philosophies and the direction they want their game to go.
They made it this far, they have yet to cover uncharted grounds and they will, undoubtedly.

Its all good to have ideals and aspirations, however, a mmo game without players isnt really a game is it?

Weren't you saying the same things after the harvest nerfs and nothing happened?

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Weren't you saying the same things after the harvest nerfs and nothing happened?

Yes, and I still stand behind my words.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3110094/page/1

Poe peaked in 3.13 and I think it will never see those golden days ever again. I have seen the games die, this is no different. Alienating a huge portion of your player base is the first sign of a dying game or being forced to die by its owners.

So you will make the same thread every patch that introduces nerfs you don't like?

After skipping ultimatum and coming back for this i could not make my self to play as far as white maps. Gear progression and feeling like slug is not fun. Making campaign feel longer still after playing it million times IS NOT FUN! Im angry and sad and i have been playing since closed beta.

My first league was Bestiary (2018 iirc) and I have played most since then.

I typically do an aurabot, and I did this league, thinking, many players will need support, especially with high level clarity. And I've been totally right about this. When I join a party, often the first thing players do is check mana regen, when they used to check resists lol.

But here's the thing. I have ailment immunity, 5500 ES, high evasion, medium armour atm, high resists, 50% or so phys damage reduction (it will get higher), etc. so a typical solid aurabot, before min-maxxing.

But I am dying instantly on most T15-T16 maps, and most T15+ conqs, when before, in the same situation, I would survive.

And what is SUPER frustrating is, I don't even know why. When I die, my carry dies too and neither of us have any idea.

Earlier in the league, it was clearly shock that was causing damage spikes, but I have shock immunity now, but something is tearing through my defences.

And this is why I agree 110% with the OP, because the combination of changes in this league have made it so unenjoyable, so frustrating. I can't think of ways to surmount these problems, until I can get 3 point voices, and that isn't happening any day soon, because we are struggling to get chase items at all, and the currency-fest of the last few leagues is also over. (I've played many hours every day since league start, and I've had no exalts drop, and my main carry has had 1).

So, I too feel sad, because this was once a great game, but now has lost its way.