[3.24]The Arachnophobia Allstars|100% Chaos Guardian CI|The dirty Scorpion-tail|Herald of Agony 50M
" This situation reminds me our Hatred vs Full chaos discussion back then. I'm sure about necro this time exactly like I was sure about chaos conversion in that case. And this is what perfectly describes my vision: " Why? Forbidden jewels. I already minded them as a must have for 3.19 hoag necro. Sure, guardian can get unholy might. But necro can get profane bloom setup, exactly like occultist. How guardian can compare in clear to explosions? Or single target? Void Beacon alone is 20% more damage, permanent unholy might is stronger than onslaught. Plaguebringer exists to make it up with Radiant Crusade... ugh. Price for unholy might for guardian is at least 4 passive points, while getting explosions for witch is just costs some exalts for necro. You can't buy more passive points. Again, yes, guardian has more potential in tankiness, for sure. No one can deny it. But it can't compare to necro potential in damage/clear. You can't compare a hybrid to a specialist. Full chaos convertion/poison minions is a necromancer area of competence in 3.19. No other ascendancy would be able to get even close to that. From my PoV on designing a minion build, guardian can do more damage only with lightning conversion with a specific body armour. In anything else, it can't. Especially, in chaos conversion, necromancer is unreachable. I took a couple of your pobs. Switched to necro + void beacon and got 30-35% more damage. Regardless of voices. How you can even say that guardian can get close to that? What i can say, Necro is stronger, but harder. Guardian would be still more comfortable to play, more awesome and more tanky. Edit: If I would add difficulty of building and playing to ascendancy comparison, it would be this: Guardian Necro Occultist Difficulty: 1 2 3 Edit #2: my pob I shared to Valsacar is unfinished lvl 93 build, based on my 3.16 PoB. I won't share unfinished build on public, esp before I play it by myself ;) This is also the reason why Animate Weapon Guardian build guide still isn't published on forum. Have to play 3.19 to check things out. Last edited by monik390 on Aug 10, 2022, 10:14:32 AM
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Yeeeahh, it's again also a question of prefered content and balancing defences and damage. And it's again totally great and interesting to discuss the different paths and approachs!
I totally agree Occultist is best in high density when you don't need tankyness and castspeed. I totally agree necro is best to scale in overall content for damage and for castspeed/ virulences. We totally agree templar is best for tankyness. But I tried out a lot Occultist- so much is needed to invest for tankyness and castspeed/ virulences singletarget. So outside blights or delves or perhaps simulacrums I cannot advice to Occu. Of course when tankyness is not important also Occu is great or to apply yourself the final 9-12-15 withers without arakaali's against bosses - but in the end you really don't want to camp nearby ubers for her ascendancy buffs ... Of course profane bloom is b.i.s. for much content as necro. Everything explodes joyful reliable in high density. But don't forget the 2 jewel slots needed and 2 passives spiritual aid. Probably you must change in some passives for es in place of the also valuable split personalities. .... I totally agree, in high density impressive unmatched clearspeed, yes! Sometimes impressive tradeprices too. And then singletarget is a though question: for full virulences you want to channel stormburst sometimes and stand still a second. Necro is better for damage, and guardian is then in these seconds more tanky, but really don't reach necro without unholy might 8. link... Very interesting and I am sure both work totally great! I agree too, that necromancy will be better to max up, it has great 2 passives more in the starting-area and only a bit weaker defensive possibilities in the ascendancy. Last edited by Chromino on Aug 10, 2022, 3:03:40 PM
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So, in short:
Guardian is just more comfortable and balanced to play bc of qol. Necro is stronger, but harder and more expensive. Occu is for clear on budget, hardest on bosses. And that's it =) I'll play hoag necro after i finish AW guardian or get tired/dissapointed in it. So, later will do better in tinkering allstars =) | |
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Aside from leveling what’s the best way to fix my dps? It’s so hard to find gear on sentinel this late.
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The last days of [3.18] - the sentinels dawns.
Like every league I try a summary of the league, improvements of the build, trade, leaderboards and more. Because there were 0 - zero - HoA-changes and patchnotes in 3.18 this time it's not a long one. The allstars in [3.18] Sentinel Improvements of the build
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I added all tipps and sets and a pob-tree for "the melding of the flesh" and aura "purity of ice". Extreme tanky 87%-90% all elemental resistances are reached. It doubles ehp or you also reach inf** ehp against medium hits and elemental damage (from 9M-18M ehp before). I improved details and layouts of many more spoilers and filters of tradelinks on page 50. "Skillmanager" and "Manamanager" and "Variations" were updated and improved much. Some pob-trees were optimized 5% further (mana/es-notes). 100% all elemental ailments-immunities and Lethe Shade
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B.i.s. eldritch boots are now craftable to reach reliable, early and cheap 100% elemental ailments-immunities. I improved a lot tipps about it. Lethe shade becomes a new very valuable keystone against often uber-dot dealing uber-bosses with 90-100% ailments-immunities. Awakened Empower
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With this endgame-gem lvl 5 it's much more easy to reach HoAg tipping point lvl 31. Extreme expensive, Chaos mastery is great also or in [3.19] new rare helmet +2 benchcraft is used. For science!
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I added finally a full glascannon set with uul Netol's amulet, The Squire, Awakened Empower etc. : I added to the PoB the "Full_Glascannon Passive Tree" & + "Full_Glascannon Item-Tab" Uul Netol's amulet is used: Predator (singletarget)/ or damage on full life (maps) (enable glascannon-skills) Awakened Empower is linked to HoA (to reach lvl 31 without chaos mastery) Keystone Divine Shield, Gravepact is pathed. and The Squire shield with feeding frenzy, Awakened Multistrike, Awakened minion damage, awakened melee physical damage (enable glascannon-skills) Ehp is 150k like many common witch-builds. 89.7M shaper damage!! (... in maps with unholy might 10M more on top) Trading, Leaguestart
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Aegis Aurora raised it's price in leaguestart extreme to 6 exalts.
Arakaali's fang was about the same, like in the last 2 leagues. With these prices you need often to leaguestart with alternative gear like cold iron point dagger or or replica advancing fortress and a rare shield with 5% es/ block. The prices dropped after 5 days, after 8 days still not low, but affordable 2 exalts when I remember correct. Ashes of the stars raised to 42 exalts. But Aul's uprising does the same job with freeing up passives and clusters for 3-5 exalts. Rare +1/+2 amulets are enough too and started around 10 chaos. Popularity of the build
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1M views of the build!
The new seventh digit dropped at 29. may 22. It's now the most popular guardian-guide in the pathofexile.com forum since one year and it still grows very fast further. In poeninja the Arachnophobias again leaded the boards as solo-guardian-minion-crawlers. This league 2 days later because of strong metas and high gear-prices and later in league with a few meta-skeleton-mages in the board. Arachnophilia! And with best greetings to all bosses: Here the Allstars crawl! https://youtu.be/Dv1MWYqWnYE Facetanking the Maven's Memory Game Explosion (Default allstars-set-up and gear used: 5.3 k es, SoÖ ghostdance, offensive clusters and offensive white triad grips, around 18M damage, real full 60% spellblock, no gb, +88% max resistances, no mageblood, no vaal skills, 1 elemental damagereduction flask up, molten shell up, frost shield up.) Last edited by Chromino on Aug 13, 2022, 8:50:50 PM
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" yes, you are now at HoA lvl 28 and 3.2M damage. That is not bad at lvl 92. Your next upgrades is the 4th medium cluster pure agony for more HoA-virulences and more pure damage. You are already at 5M ehp and 87% max resis - so it's a possibility to balance some spellblock or anointed flesh into the redemption minion mastery, there the strong unholy might for maps/ not singletargets. Your gloves have low es - there should be easy to get better ones or white triad grips of course for maximal damage. Yes, the trademarket awaits the new league. You can craft a better belt, better gloves or better eldritch boots/ clusters yourself, see page 50, but in trade there are not so much offers these days. Last edited by Chromino on Aug 13, 2022, 2:07:02 PM
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Hello, anyone know how solid it is to leauge start going into hp and dual cold iron or is just golems better at that point?
Since it seems like prices are pretty damn nutty these days, was over 1 year ago i played so. Much thanks for any respons. |
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Nice build man, enjoy so much but i can run only herald of agony?
im trying to find a Hoag without other minions like zombies or arakaali your build works without fang? |
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" I reworked everything Added grace + melding of the flesh I didn't have them. I cant kill t16 bosses empowerded with ghost + 1 ritual altar. + spider can't spawn on bosses. they are killed before i can kill them. 80 exalt so far. I give up. |
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" Hi you again! in general it's exactly the same again as I tried to advice last time, you are dealing only 1/6 damage of the build because you don't use basic gear, gems, buffs and clusters. Great that you added melding of the flesh. You have now even with that jewel 35-80% overcapped 88% all elemental resis and can balance some overcapped resis into gear like a curse-on-hit-unset ring, a better helmet, better gloves etc. Please head to the spoilers "The Composition of Agony - The Coctail of Damage - Poisonchance, Virulences, HoA-levels" or "checklist damage" to build up 10-20M damage, 6x more damage. The components of damage are explained there step by step and in the mix you reach easy basic 10M and more. Of course you can see them also in the pob and in the used skills. The spiders are immortal and cannot be killed- so I guess you mean you have problems killing the worms of writhing jar? In the spoiler "blizzard" are all tipps about how to use desecrate and an aoe. Zoom in in your hideout and try a bit. It's not hard. Or in the spoiler "tipps for levelling", section "spiders and withers", are alternatives-
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Quote: Hi x, don't forget that in standard the tradeprices are 5-20 times higher multiplied as in leagues. You are now at 1.5M - with awakened gems for HoA lvl 31 and 2 more medium clusters "pure agony", some levels and better helmet and gloves you will get 8-10x the damage, 12-15M damage. Check the red titled spoiler "the composition of agony" or "checklist damage" step by step. For defences poe is balanced around 85% max resistances or 100% spell suppression or all big defensive auras or for the ubers mageblood since 3.17. With better eldritch-boots you get 100% ailment-immunities. Use vaal discipline for more reg. Immunity to corrupting blood is needed often! Melding of the flesh is b.i.s. in [3.18] - you need more resis on belt and clustertransfer-points to squeeze it in for 60% less elemental damage taken. You will tank exarch's 5 magmaballs, 10 balls with molten shell and vaal molten shell, but not more - the new bosses are designed around degen and oneshots. You can facetank sirus and shaper and maven, but not full tank the degens. You are now at 500k ehp - fullgeared you get around 9-18M/ infinitive ehp. Check step by step "checklist defences". I advice to start: - a helmet enchant is very powerful. Get a better helmet like eber's unification. - your legacy circle of nostalgia is great for poisonchance and efficiencies (but misses some increased HoA damage). You are at 155% poisonchance overcapped, change out "chance to poison" supportgem to void sphere or divergent stormbrands with one passive runebinder. - Your large cluster needs veteran defender on spot 1. or 3. Before change it to a second spellblockcluster and 8% spellblock of 2 passives arcane guarding (or ascendancy bastion of hope instead radiant faith) and then you can go without tempestshield. - regret insightfullness for 2 medium clusters pure agony. dex you get in the attributes mastery or on a split personality with es+dex instead. - regret wicked ward or use instead lethe shard instead against bosses. - later ghost dance or some other keystones on skin of the lords (lethe shade or divine shield for example) are big upgrades - get a better belt, some resis on clustertransfers (see "jewels and clusters" -"the melding of the flesh"), benchcraft resis on ring, get better boots and melding of the flesh - why do you use purity of lightning? Only with melding of the flesh use "purity of ice". I guees with your manamanagement you miss another valuable defensive aura. - get a watcher's eye, best with es on hit discipline mod and spellblock or some nice other mods. For manamanegement you need bets the HoA helmet enchant or other efficiencies and socket the auras into: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/8y7vklnuV Or next week there are great helmets craftable also in standard. For damage you need 2 more medium clusters with pure agony. Most important! https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/W6k6RebCm It looks like your inf** ehp is now great, but I fear, without the helmet enchant you miss an activated aura? Best: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/RBVqOaRF7 or weaker: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/4yWRgJQu9 Your spellblock is overcapped, you can balance some spellblock mainly into medium clusters. Each one is almost like 1 link more of damage for the HoA. You use the the chaos mastery - that is fine to reach lvl 31 HoA, for that you need to get a HoA gem lvl 21 and awakened gems. When like you only lvl 28-30 is reached, first prefer the passives for "pure agony" or "whispers of doom". Also get wakened gems for more damage! A gem lvl 21 adds always fast much damage: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/bmorGQKuL And you should you use one or two curses like sniper's mark or despair for more damage! Yes, again, the standard league is often 5-20x higher multiplied in tradeprices. I love standard too to max a build, but the prices are in leagues much, much lower. But when you take some time for searching and sniping, sometimes you get some stuff for 2x the price as in league in standard too. I guess your gear in league would be priced around 10 exalts/ divines thumbed. Last edited by Chromino on Aug 14, 2022, 3:20:39 PM
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