The recent build/ascendancy balance is hilarious

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TheFazzo wrote:

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namikazemaru wrote:

That's OP's point. The skill was designed for facetanking, but the efficient class for it wasn't from Ranger because it's so squishy.

Barrage was designed for WHAT now?

Have you ever seen Robin freaking Hood bashing people on the head with his bow? Because last time I checked archers were supposed to shoot from a distance.

Yeah, but Robin Hood shoots his arrows while moving around or from a safe place. I don't think you can do that with Barrage.

Pitty lately I can only play necromancer, since, I don't like male chars, Ranger has become nearly unplayable , scion has not recieved any kind of love since forever.

The only builds out there are some varitions of necromancer or VD , like 4 builds tops for scion, and the rest are iMPALE something, or bulky mana bald guys. Shame.

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Vendetta wrote:

Pitty lately I can only play necromancer, since, I don't like male chars, Ranger has become nearly unplayable , scion has not recieved any kind of love since forever.

The only builds out there are some varitions of necromancer or VD , like 4 builds tops for scion, and the rest are iMPALE something, or bulky mana bald guys. Shame.

Tell me about scion. :/ Pretty much all your options at league start boil down to which watered-down ascendancies do I get to cobble together a functional mapper so I can bootstrap a different character.

necro isn't so bad. if you have the basic skills of building a viable necro, there's still a lot of ways to build differently each time. Specs and zombies, SRS, vd/dd, all-carryons, etc. Spiritual aid sucks now, but I think you can pick up add'l damage elsewhere, and if you have good income, some nice cluster jewels.

Can't say the same for golemancer. I've seen a couple friends build them and one after another, they hit a wall, and rerolled. And the league is only 10 days plus minus. Ah, if only all the amazing slam benefits added for the Marauder, also applied to Carry-ons and Stone golem slam attacks, Ancestral Warchief, Vaal AW, and the various specs with slam attacks.

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crunkatog wrote:

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Vendetta wrote:

Pitty lately I can only play necromancer, since, I don't like male chars, Ranger has become nearly unplayable , scion has not recieved any kind of love since forever.

The only builds out there are some varitions of necromancer or VD , like 4 builds tops for scion, and the rest are iMPALE something, or bulky mana bald guys. Shame.

Tell me about scion. :/ Pretty much all your options at league start boil down to which watered-down ascendancies do I get to cobble together a functional mapper so I can bootstrap a different character.

necro isn't so bad. if you have the basic skills of building a viable necro, there's still a lot of ways to build differently each time. Specs and zombies, SRS, vd/dd, all-carryons, etc. Spiritual aid sucks now, but I think you can pick up add'l damage elsewhere, and if you have good income, some nice cluster jewels.

Can't say the same for golemancer. I've seen a couple friends build them and one after another, they hit a wall, and rerolled. And the league is only 10 days plus minus. Ah, if only all the amazing slam benefits added for the Marauder, also applied to Carry-ons and Stone golem slam attacks, Ancestral Warchief, Vaal AW, and the various specs with slam attacks.

I just can get myself to build a male char...

Let's break it down , a little so we can see the options.


Scion : Literally jack of all trades master of none, very few builds, not like it was when the class was introduced, sub parred ascendencies and not very popular lately. 2 builds I saw constantly updated are the cyclone tesla ES one and the whispering ice build. There are some other variants but let's face it, they all under performs. I really love Scion, but GGG needs to love the class also it seems.

Shadow : Ghost Dance nuff said. Some people say mines and traps are good but to be honest they are not nearly as powerful as they were. Still can't get myself to play one , since I don't like poison that much and spamming the mine detonation is really annoying.

Marauder : never played one, but I see that people always build some RF bulky juggernaut. Cannot get myself to play one. https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Character_class , just look at that face art, you will get what I mean.

Ranger : Build speed and mf meme builds. I don't even know how you can fix a class that relies on dodge / evasion and get's one shoted if ever even stared at. Needs to be build into barrage to even scratch bosses. Variants are poison proliferation and Ice Arrow .

Bald naked guy : Lol , really, not even want to study that class, but I see that mana guardian performs well even though some nerfs here and there.

Duelist : Impale. That's all.

The only class that currently performs well despite the attempts to nerf it to the ground is the Witch Necromancer. And let's face it has the best arts, beside the damn Elementalist , that laughing face art still haunts me.


There are less and less and less variants of builds to play, and that's because all the nerfs to some builds, that made classes who owned with those builds be meh and classes that build towards those builds be disastrous.


I hate to see so few variant of the classes and with each league even with all the implementation to build variantions , less and less builds being created .

I am tired of all the EE Ice arrows and traps build and the fact that you need to pick a meta build to just push into a pile of junk league, only to see that the drops suck, the mechanic is dull, and you were better off with a meme build just to have fun.


I wonder what the point of threads like "X Scion builds" is anymore, since you can only just place 3-4 builds there for any new league.

Really sad to see so little diversity despite all the things GGG adds to buff the diversity.

I've had a lot of fun over the years with occultist, cursebotting or vortexing is pretty decent work and something unique that does fine whether ssf or party. The problem is the big nerf to ES, without max curses and the prenerf ES gains occu had, trickster is strictly better at most things.

Sadly this isn't an optimal league for vortex or any other DoT because the nerfs to DoT and especially chaos DoT multi in the tree are pushing those builds to require more and more endgame crafted products to reach damage parity (including cluster jewels).

It's disappointing to see they went after RF as well. DoTs already have huge disadvantages - you can't leech from them and you can't trigger on-hit - not to mention the inherent risk in killing a dangerous enemy slowly over time rather than burst DPSing them down. It was fun and challenging to balance mobility and speed with your DOT potency, but it's a losing race now.

CI builds are in trouble enough as it is with no phys reduction on the tree - crafting a decent amount of ES on a vaal regalia this league has been, uh, challenging, i.e. it hasn't happened yet.

I feel like I'm preaching to the choir here. Bring back build diversity and stop gutting A- and B-tier builds.

FWIW I chose HoWA Charged Dash Scion but can't afford to get her out of act 8. She needs a respec before she can even do Doedre in the sewer. Probably going to put her on penance brand so she can move around instead of standing still to channel CD. She's great in the lab and that's about it.

Tried to jailbreak her by rolling a thicc jugg, but again, crafting diligently as I go, by level 76 I've only managed 4k armour and 12k pdps on earthshatter + infernal cry + leap slam + AW. I loathe the way the skill combo feels to use under time or spatial pressure. It is clunky af. Even with blood rage at full blast it is AWFUL. I made a gimpy cycloner sword to swap in when he needs to do anything timed.

Honestly I don't blame you for wanting to tune out the league hype, but it's never too late to reroll *well sort-of*. Just sick of every off-kilter build I want to play, rocking the same 3 items at endgame: Call of the brotherhood, Omeyocan, or a 20ex Megalomaniac.

Most acendancy need completely overhaul with special interaction.

The power level in relative to gears needed to make some acendancy not complete garbage to play is hilarious.

And for the love of god, fix raider, 2020 and she is still a ball of stats nothing more. the ranger tree has like freaking 150% or so total HP increased after you already have to invade shadow and duelist nodes to take theirs.

And Scion is just money sink.

im enraged by this too
fck, why bow deadeye is shit?

dunno, last league i played a cold wander raider and it shat on absolutely everything. the only fight that was really a pain in the butt was a8 sirus because i lose all my buffs frequently due to his stupid phases.

but the investment you need is on a different level for sure.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?sort=depth-solo

7 out of top 10 delvers are deadeyes. 4 of em use bows (prolly in a mine setup, I didn't go in detail..) and 3 of them icicle miners.

One of them has 28 total ehp. Yes, you read that right!

As long as they fit the niche and excel at it (delving), it's hard to foresee it will ever get buffed in the near future.

Deep delve is as much a niche as saying they level quickly, as in it isn't one.

Being good at delve itself would be a good niche, but deadeyes aren't good at actually delving :p only the one shot roulette for the deep delve dick measuring.

I suspect we will see a buff for rangers in the next league or two, they are definitely the furthest behind ascendancies right now though they could fix that laterally by buffing the passive tree or the skills they tend to use too.