The recent build/ascendancy balance is hilarious

bow league stonks

It's quite simple... impale is just too damn strong, it makes every build without it feel shit.. it's not a choice... it's a damn necessity = equals less fun..

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Pathtastic wrote:

It's quite simple... impale is just too damn strong, it makes every build without it feel shit.. it's not a choice... it's a damn necessity = equals less fun..

not only that, the powercreep ruinned the game
they chose a skill to be ridiculous OP for a while then nerf it to the ground, GGG dont know what is balance

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jabeleta wrote:

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Pathtastic wrote:

It's quite simple... impale is just too damn strong, it makes every build without it feel shit.. it's not a choice... it's a damn necessity = equals less fun..

not only that, the powercreep ruinned the game
they chose a skill to be ridiculous OP for a while then nerf it to the ground, GGG dont know what is balance

Try not playing that stuff they make ridiculous OP and you'll have a very different view of it.

They can't make everything that strong because then the game would be pathetically easy. They can't not make something stupid OP because then half the people getting to high tier stuff wouldn't be capable of it. And they have to nerf the OP stuff to make something else OP or then the game would be extremely boring for worse players, just repeating the exact same thing every league.

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Ywm8028So8 wrote:

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jabeleta wrote:

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Pathtastic wrote:

It's quite simple... impale is just too damn strong, it makes every build without it feel shit.. it's not a choice... it's a damn necessity = equals less fun..

not only that, the powercreep ruinned the game
they chose a skill to be ridiculous OP for a while then nerf it to the ground, GGG dont know what is balance

Try not playing that stuff they make ridiculous OP and you'll have a very different view of it.

They can't make everything that strong because then the game would be pathetically easy. They can't not make something stupid OP because then half the people getting to high tier stuff wouldn't be capable of it. And they have to nerf the OP stuff to make something else OP or then the game would be extremely boring for worse players, just repeating the exact same thing every league.

Well i could agree with you it this game was a FPS or a Moba or a RTS. But the playerskill required to play this game, even in high tier content is reallyyyyy in the low end of gaming skills. You don't need mechanical prowess above average, you don't need strategy making above average, you don't need reflexes above average (this one is questionable i know).

Even in the high end Poe is a really easy game, in this game and genre in general high enough number outweigh playerskill by a huge margin. You can be the best player in the world, but if you try to do delirum 100% t17 maps with a shit skill and shit gear you will fail. While a dog that was teach how to press the mouse button can clear it with a 100 mirror herald stacking build.

But the core issue is not that there are builds that are better than others, the issue is when A is made on purpose 100000x better than B for no reason even taking in account investment. The gap between a good skill and a bad skill in this game is really huge, and most of it derives from them not wanting to give downsides to new things and letting more and more and more and more and more, never less being introduced in the game.

Controlled powercreep is not really a problem, but the gap between builds got too huge due to some mechanics scaling way higher than others. So only builds that inherently can abuse those mechanics are good, everything else is trash.

And every single thing you cited is knowledge not skill.

All your points are also required in Mobas, Rts, etc... the difference is that in those games translating that knowledge into the actual game is hard.

Now lets see in PoE:

1- Read a currency guide and copy whatever is there. You can`t err.

2- Read a guide and copy it. You can`t err.

3- Read a guide and copy it. You can`t err.
(look at my characters and you will see something interesting, the less keys i have to press the more braindead the build is, and the less skill it requires. I have a cast when stunned build that allowed me to do t16s metamorphs while afk and alt tabbed, how much skill that requires?)

4- follow the guide, open the trade site. You can`t err (except if you let yourself be scammed).

5- Read a guide to see if a build is bad. You can`t err.
(but do you think there should be skills that automatically fail because you choose them)?

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Pathtastic wrote:

It's quite simple... impale is just too damn strong, it makes every build without it feel shit.. it's not a choice... it's a damn necessity = equals less fun..

Eh, isnt it more like this - spellbased builds are too strong.

How the hell did impale deserve all this bashing in a heraldstacking league/stormbrand-league ?

Deadeye sucks now. Period

Remember when people were complaning about how overpowered deadeye bow builds were.

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cpurdy777 wrote:

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demonstorm wrote:

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HeManNZ wrote:

A well built deadeye with barrage or barrage support should delete bosses. Build around aborix and voidfletcher, and its easy game.

Yea, in theory it is decent. How are you supposed to facetank bosses as a squishy class though? The fact that bow builds NEED to resort to barrage/point blank shenanigans to deal decent single target damage is retarded in the first place.

In practice, not only the damage sucks, but you die in 2 seconds. How many leagues since you played deadeye? Because I only see a slayer and an occultist on your account.

You're not supposed to facetank anything as a squishy build, let alone bosses, what kind of question is that? 4.2k hp is nothing, especially without more defensive layers amplifying it, and even 3 years ago it would be a terribly low hp pool.

That's OP's point. The skill was designed for facetanking, but the efficient class for it wasn't from Ranger because it's so squishy.