0.10.3 Patch Notes

Not sure if that was suggested already but could you add some nodes with
"XX% of Energy Shield used to avoid 'stuns, shocks, freeze'"
if i get my skill tree to some of these nodes the calculation doesn't only use health but health + XX% of ES
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Bucyrus wrote:
I was hoping for a CI buff where armor damage reduction was applied to ES. Meaning a Shadow with armor aura would have an ES that can take more damage. Or a CI Templar could stack armor/ES gear with benefit. Evasion would still be the 2nd best defense to stack, but armor would be useful too.


You realise this is exactly how damage reduction is already calculated for ES?
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rumblestrips wrote:
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Bucyrus wrote:
I was hoping for a CI buff where armor damage reduction was applied to ES. Meaning a Shadow with armor aura would have an ES that can take more damage. Or a CI Templar could stack armor/ES gear with benefit. Evasion would still be the 2nd best defense to stack, but armor would be useful too.


You realize this is exactly how damage reduction is already calculated for ES?
nope, but ty. I haven't been playing long. That is awesome! I thought making a CI Templar would be impossible.
8 Bit Tarvernite
Playing melee all the way, from my point of view this LGoH change has just reduced the diversity of builds if you want to use this skill. I used to use double strike on my tanking templar with LGoH instead of the std heavy strike, but now it seems the only effective use of LGoH for melee is to have to use heavy strike.

Ok I can see the argument that anyone using LGoH with projectiles with fork, chain, GMP, LMP, etc, etc was gaining a vast amount of health back per hit, but by countering with a reduction that seriously hurts the melee player, who really needs the health gain, Reduces the range of skill choices, reduces the survivability of an already hard to survive playstyle and I feel is going to just increase the amount of cookie-cutter builds.

I have a health pool of 1,243 and previously I was getting 30 health per hit so double strike would give me 60 health, hardly a massive amount with 1,243 to fill especially considering the damage done by the mobs in cruel act 3.

Now my 30 LGoH gives just 21 per hit so double strike now only gives 41 health, which for the cost of mana, socket space, etc is just pathetic.


Edit... Maybe make it so that any enemy hit directly by a weapon grants full LGoH but with any enemy hit by a projectile it's only the enemy directly hit that grants the LGoH, not anything hit via chain, fork or continuing projectile etc. That way double strike and close up AoE melee skills like sweep, cleave and probably ground slam will still be viable with LGoH while reducing the massive gain for ranged chars, but without damaging the poor melee chars
Last edited by Jaknet on Mar 13, 2013, 11:04:33 PM
Wait ... where is the melee skill supposed to "try to fix" the massiv unbalencing between melee and ranged gameplay ?

would that supposed to be cyclone ? what th... i'm sorry, thanks for the hard work, but that is nothing even remotly near a "try to fix" for that matter.


i guess it might have been the will of the devs to implement a new skill just for the sake of it. but it is definitly not a skill that will help melees to get more comfortable in melee ... or should i say less dead then ranged for the same skill level*.



* talking about player's skill. some players are obviously better, more agile, stronger, etc



N.B: Its very nice to plan to add a new skill per week. but i'd far prefer 1 skill a month (or even with no schedule) but really well though, adding something to the game and/or balencing, solving problem.
Last edited by Traockl on Mar 14, 2013, 8:45:47 AM
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wbaha wrote:
So you are more likely to get chain frozen/shocked to death as your health gets lower while you can't do anything while CI users become almost immune to it? Did you even think about it for a second instead of babbling the first thought that crossed your mind?

Yes, this is exactly what I want.

HP characters are already overpowered.
CI characters are underpowered.

I think this change, or something similar, is needed.
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My thoughts on this:

Melee needs something. I have a melee char, I use Lightning Strike due to availability to hit everything from afar and I do that only because I usually get outhit if I enter close combat. Hugging and hitting them with LS from afar seems to be the only way to actually survive any condition. I'm level 72 on my melee char. I stopped playing it because it's too hard to survive compared to ranged builds and I'd also like a melee skill that could be on par with ranged skills, unfortunately, I don't see how cyclone changes any of this, it's a skill, but I doubt we'll see a huge increase in new builds because of its arrival.

I would like to point out to one melee skill that could be improved: Molten Shell
The only improvement that it needs is that there wouldn't be a timer. Once you set it, it'll stay until it explodes, that would help loads to making it a useful skill.
IGN: StN_
I read all comments on this and most of them comments are so freaking stupid, you say HP chars are more OP then CI chars? hows that? you get WAY more ES then HP (stop freaking say 6k easily, thats impossible without kaoms). as someone quoted, he got 9k ES with level 60, how much life do you have with that level? 3k, 4k maximum.

Then saying to nerf the stunlock and permafreeze, ever thought that ES has 50% chance to avoid stuns itself? you also could just go and use eye of chayula if that doesnt help. also with permafreeze, you can just go and get some LIFE on ur gear since freeze is calculated by the life you "would have without" CI.

And even if that doesnt help, go and buy a dream fragment, if you even mention that 6k HP is easily to get with kaoms, dream frag + chayula is like a fifth of the price.

So people say its a "big" nerf to melee classes with the LGOH change? ever heard of using life leech? just compare 40 LOH to ~7% life leech with 7k dps (on each enemy you hit).
When you hit for example 10 enemies its like this:

10*40 = 400 life
7000/100*7*10= 4900 life

I know you only get a maximum of 20% of ur life back each second, but still, thats way more than 400 freaking life.

Plus I was rofling as i saw someone saying that they gonna use heavy strike with LGOH now, seriously? single target with LGOH? jesus.

Just think about the stupid things you write and please, dont answer on this comment since you're wrong anyway.

Greets, Shotzz.
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Therealshotzz wrote:
I read all comments on this and most of them comments are so freaking stupid, you say HP chars are more OP then CI chars? hows that? you get WAY more ES then HP (stop freaking say 6k easily, thats impossible without kaoms). as someone quoted, he got 9k ES with level 60, how much life do you have with that level? 3k, 4k maximum.

Then saying to nerf the stunlock and permafreeze, ever thought that ES has 50% chance to avoid stuns itself? you also could just go and use eye of chayula if that doesnt help. also with permafreeze, you can just go and get some LIFE on ur gear since freeze is calculated by the life you "would have without" CI.

And even if that doesnt help, go and buy a dream fragment, if you even mention that 6k HP is easily to get with kaoms, dream frag + chayula is like a fifth of the price.

So people say its a "big" nerf to melee classes with the LGOH change? ever heard of using life leech? just compare 40 LOH to ~7% life leech with 7k dps (on each enemy you hit).
When you hit for example 10 enemies its like this:

10*40 = 400 life
7000/100*7*10= 4900 life

I know you only get a maximum of 20% of ur life back each second, but still, thats way more than 400 freaking life.

Plus I was rofling as i saw someone saying that they gonna use heavy strike with LGOH now, seriously? single target with LGOH? jesus.

Just think about the stupid things you write and please, dont answer on this comment since you're wrong anyway.

Greets, Shotzz.


I agree the stupidity surrounding CI buff requests is amazing. Someone posted yestarday about how he hit almost 15k ES with spare gear he had no use for with proper ES nodes.

ID like an aswer to my previous question why anyone would go for anything but CI if the change youre (CI buffers in general) asking for was in the game considering how much ES one can aquire right now. More is coming even with higher level gear, I really hope youre not dumb enough to not understand the offset between kaoms 1k and regular ES increase in gear combined with nodes.

I agree that afflictions should be based off ES AFTER! GGG finds the proper drawback to CI. Having to mitigate with a couple uniques is lame imo and IM sure they agree but atm its the best solution. Once a real drawback can be introduced then its time to Change CI to the way you idiots want.
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pr1091 wrote:
I agree the stupidity surrounding CI buff requests is amazing. Someone posted yestarday about how he hit almost 15k ES with spare gear he had no use for with proper ES nodes.

ID like an aswer to my previous question why anyone would go for anything but CI if the change youre (CI buffers in general) asking for was in the game considering how much ES one can aquire right now. More is coming even with higher level gear, I really hope youre not dumb enough to not understand the offset between kaoms 1k and regular ES increase in gear combined with nodes.

I agree that afflictions should be based off ES AFTER! GGG finds the proper drawback to CI. Having to mitigate with a couple uniques is lame imo and IM sure they agree but atm its the best solution. Once a real drawback can be introduced then its time to Change CI to the way you idiots want.


i read all ur comments and yes, i totally agree to them, finally someone who understands the game physics and the balancing.

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