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" Mythreindeer wrote: " Jayburner wrote: We are payers not players these days. But you don't have to be. Don't support shit games. Don't support p2w. Do support good games like PoE as long as it stays non p2w. I would support PoE in a subscription model if it came to it, but at the first appearance of a lootbox I'm out. Did you somehow miss that POE has both lootboxes and p2w stash tabs?	Posted by Außenseiter#5908 on Feb 18, 2019, 11:19:42 AM Quote this Post
" Außenseiter wrote: " Mythreindeer wrote: " Jayburner wrote: We are payers not players these days. But you don't have to be. Don't support shit games. Don't support p2w. Do support good games like PoE as long as it stays non p2w. I would support PoE in a subscription model if it came to it, but at the first appearance of a lootbox I'm out. Did you somehow miss that POE has both lootboxes and p2w stash tabs? So what? If you dont like it, go pay Diablo 3, it doesnt have p2w or loot boxes. Also, yarr! Pirate life is easier. Last edited by Aynix#7757 on Feb 18, 2019, 11:24:35 AM	Posted by Aynix#7757 on Feb 18, 2019, 11:24:28 AM On Probation Quote this Post
The items in the lootboxes are just for looks and they do not allow you to perform better than those who choose not to buy them. You can also get all of the items offered in the lootboxes later on with no chance involved. The tabs are also not P2W. You do not have an edge on players who do not buy tabs in your ability to play the base game. I feel like you have no idea what P2W even means at this point.	Posted by Real_Funk#0308 on Feb 18, 2019, 11:35:56 AM Quote this Post
" Aynix wrote: So what? If you dont like it, go pay Diablo 3, it doesnt have p2w or loot boxes. Also, yarr! Pirate life is easier. D3 is irredeemable trash even without any microtransactions. POE is great game soiled by p2w and lootboxes. And piracy is illegal where I leave so I'd rather not to. " Real_Funk wrote: The items in the lootboxes are just for looks and they do not allow you to perform better than those who choose not to buy them. You can also get all of the items offered in the lootboxes later on with no chance involved. The tabs are also not P2W. You do not have an edge on players who do not buy tabs in your ability to play the base game. I feel like you have no idea what P2W even means at this point. Lootboxes is a predatory practice encouraging gambling addiction, no matter the content. And stash tabs give paying players gameplay advantage and in fact give you huge edge, especially specialized tabs, which is by definition p2w.	Posted by Außenseiter#5908 on Feb 18, 2019, 11:38:24 AM Quote this Post
Gaming is healthy but big companies have, as usual, had issues adjusting to modern times. Happens all the time in all industries. They get out of touch with their target consumers and then get wake up calls and begin running around in a panic. Here is an article where they blame fortnite even though what I said above is the real issue: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/18/fortnite-impact-on-video-game-firms-ea-activision-blizzard-take-two.html Censored.	Posted by kolyaboo#7295 on Feb 18, 2019, 12:34:07 PM Quote this Post
" Außenseiter wrote: And stash tabs give paying players gameplay advantage and in fact give you huge edge, especially specialized tabs, which is by definition p2w. And what gameplay advantage do you gain by having specialized tabs over mules? Will you gain more experience per hour? Do you get a bonus to increased rarity and quantity? Do you get extra skill points that can be slotted into your build? Does it give you an advantage in pvp? I am curious to your reply. Heart of Purity Awarded 'Silverblade' to Talent Competition Winner 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFO4E5OKSE POE 2 is designed primarily for console.	Posted by Reinhart#6743 on Feb 18, 2019, 12:38:33 PM Quote this Post
You get the most valuable advantage human being could ever possibly get - time. You don't waste time on stupid menial tasks, like logging back and forth and messing with items and currencies. You just play the game. It's far more insidious than most people realize, the worst type of p2w.	Posted by Außenseiter#5908 on Feb 18, 2019, 12:42:39 PM Quote this Post
" Außenseiter wrote: You get the most valuable advantage human being could ever possibly get - time. You don't waste time on stupid menial tasks, like logging back and forth and messing with items and currencies. You just play the game. It's far more insidious than most people realize, the worst type of p2w. You need to micromanage your space inventory regardless if it is tabs or mules. That micromanagement is PART of the game. You don't want to micromanage and save time, then don't pick up any item from the floor. Heart of Purity Awarded 'Silverblade' to Talent Competition Winner 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFO4E5OKSE POE 2 is designed primarily for console.	Posted by Reinhart#6743 on Feb 18, 2019, 12:48:18 PM Quote this Post
Ctrl+click spamming stackables and maps into respective tabs isn't "micro management". Running two clients and muling isn't micromanagement either.	Posted by Außenseiter#5908 on Feb 18, 2019, 12:59:44 PM Quote this Post
" Außenseiter wrote: You get the most valuable advantage human being could ever possibly get - time. You don't waste time on stupid menial tasks, like logging back and forth and messing with items and currencies. You just play the game. It's far more insidious than most people realize, the worst type of p2w. You have your opinion and others will have a different. I do not agree with your's and you have not presented anything that comes close to changing my mind.	Posted by Real_Funk#0308 on Feb 18, 2019, 5:36:53 PM Quote this Post