Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

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Fluttershypony wrote:

If you're gonna allow cheating like multibox, please allow RMTing as well.

And of your many, many posts, of which so few really do this game or its community any good, this one somehow manages to be even less credible than most of the others.

Read the whole thread before posting. No, even better. Read the first few pages. Because it is made very clear early on that multiboxing is not cheating -- it is merely one of the tools required to attempt automation/botting.

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orzewoi wrote:

P.S. To people, who say, it's ok, because GGG said so.
First of all, developers aren't infallible. Sometimes they make decision, that are really bad for their game. Just look at D3.
Secondly, first thing they care about, is their income. After that, they think about players fun. Maybe multiaccounters will let them make more money, but that doesn't mean it will be good for us - players and that we should support it.

This is true. They arent perfect, but I also take into consideration a majority ruling effort on their part as well. Most game companies allow it to be done, whether we the players like it. I can only think of one company that DOESNT allow it, and honestly, they arent a very popular company anyway.

Now they may not want to allow it, but they have very little choice in allowing it as they have very little capability to find and stop it. So them saying no is the same as me saying no. Neither of us have any power to stop it...empty threats as it were.

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orzewoi wrote:

You guys are funny, if you think, that multiaccounters won't have any impact on "normal 1 account" people. No, it will ruin economy, pvp. Even difficulty of game, if multiaccounters will start posting on forum about how this game is too easy for their ridiculously rich chars.
Also, it will be harder to find group or guild of real players, because more and more people will just play with themselves (their alts).

In onther words, even if you don't care about multiaccounters now, few months/years later you will care about them. One day you will notice, that you can't afford buying good items anymore, you can't pvp with rich chars of multiaccounters, you can't beat the best content, because GGG had to balance its difficulty around large number of multiaccounters. You will also have more and more problems with finding group of real players to play with them.


Personally I'm leaving, when I'll notice the first sings of game changing, because of the impact of multiaccounters. Because I know from experience, that from there it will be only worse.


P.S. To people, who say, it's ok, because GGG said so.
First of all, developers aren't infallible. Sometimes they make decision, that are really bad for their game. Just look at D3.
Secondly, first thing they care about, is their income. After that, they think about players fun. Maybe multiaccounters will let them make more money, but that doesn't mean it will be good for us - players and that we should support it.

You're so unbelievably stupid that it's actually funny. Really, what the fuck is wrong with people? How can they be this ignorant and delusional? And so incapable of using even the slightest bit of logic or rationality.

I hope you know kid that it's actually people like you that ruin the game, because the casual dumbasses that can't think before whining are the ones that end up ruining every game.

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orzewoi wrote:

first thing they care about, is their income. After that, they think about players fun. Maybe multiaccounters will let them make more money, but that doesn't mean it will be good for us - players and that we should support it.

Not always the case, blizzard north cared about making a quality game or what ever they where called before blizzard hired them... look what happened. they made a brilliant game for its time. it wasnt for a few years that greed become involved
generally small company's tend to start by making a very good game(s), ahead of trying to make money. its only after success do they tend to fall prey to greed...

My point is that GGG is a small group who genuinely seems to care alot more about making a decent game than making big bucks, i just hope it stays this way.


as for multiboxing and PoE. well without auto follow being an option. id assume its extremely hard and most likely faster to level characters separately. i cant imagine anyone doing it successfully in HC without losing toons left right and center.

Players need to be within range at all times to benefit from ANY party gains (aprox 2 screens), the player who gets the killing blow is the one to have their IIR\IIQ applied, for each extra player in the party creatures gain 50% health.

this statement sums up an official thread i read about an hour ago to do with benefits of players joining a party.
i really thought i should add it to this conversation since 3/4 of the players here who are upset about multiboxing seem to have alot of the facts wrong

player collisions, no auto follow, extra health, and needing to stay withing range... yea good luck with doing it at an efficient pace. yes i can see how it could be done for a small gain but with the amount of time spent preparing to do it. No thanks! easier to find some friend to play with.

From what I've heard from people who multibox (or log, who cares) in this game, it is incredibly easy and the only 'effort' required is going out to a store to upgrade your PC's ram so you can actually run all those instances.

Yeah, sure, it's not automated. Big deal. It's still more profitable than playing the game regularly while not being particularly more challenging.

Please just bring out a fix to this so people like me can farm without feeling like they would be better off if they used that annoying, incredibly immersion breaking method.

(Not saying multiboxing / logging should be undoable, but rather that there needs to be a fix to it being so profitable)

Also, for those who may misunderstand, I am talking purely about farming for the purpose of gaining currency (or currency equivalents through recipes).

Sigh blizzard doesn't allow bots because that is seen by everyone as cheating. Lots of people don't think of multiboxing as cheating this thread proving that. Therefore they don't take a large hit to their image allowing multiboxing and still rake in lots of cash.

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danonon wrote:

Sigh blizzard doesn't allow bots because that is seen by everyone as cheating. Lots of people don't think of multiboxing as cheating this thread proving that. Therefore they don't take a large hit to their image allowing multiboxing and still rake in lots of cash.

That's a bit simplistic... thing is, I don't think they can realisticly detect/ban multibox users, which mainly comes down to heuristic algorithms checking how several characters click same spot on screen at same time, which server side might not be exactly same time, nor exactly same spot (since it depends on character viewpoint).

So even if they make a system for this, it would likely slow down and lag the servers, and the multibox software could easily compensate to make it undetectable, while false-positives might end up being punished wrongly.

Declaring it cheating then limits it to only those who willfully cheat to make as much currency as possible in shortest time (with cheesiest tactics, and also possibly using botting), while players who want to just play around with having another character or two tagging along for casual gem rewards, or to otherwise compensate for not having time to play as much as others will not get to do it.

Having played two characters at once over a week or so now, I will say it's not really worth the effort in currency... I'm progressing more slowly than I did with my first character, and drops are marginally larger I suppose, which evens out... It's the "port into bosschamber" multy-logging which possibly might give too great rewards...

What can i say a simplistic issue demands a simplistic answer.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

You're so unbelievably stupid that it's actually funny. Really, what the fuck is wrong with people? How can they be this ignorant and delusional? And so incapable of using even the slightest bit of logic or rationality.

I hope you know kid that it's actually people like you that ruin the game, because the casual dumbasses that can't think before whining are the ones that end up ruining every game.

First of all, I'm not a kid. I'm probably older then you. Secondly, you didn't bring single argument into conversation. If all you can say is "lol stupid casual kid you know nothing", then you should stop posting.
And if you can point out, why multiaccounting will be a good thing for this game - I'm listening. I'm really curious.

I've multilogged and farmed between the terrace and usually the ledge. Four clients running and my pc is on it's death bed. I'd love to try it out with 5 alts standing at the front of the instance while my main runs through and kills everything with it's 61% Quantity on Items at level 2.

After reaching double digits in runs, i found out something. RNG is still RNG. I don't have 10 exalteds from the runs, more like 10 alch and 10 chaos. Oh, and serveral hundred Wisdoms.