Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

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Nightmare90 wrote:

Apparently so. Only people just joining the discussion need to get into the discussions currently in here. There are currently the following discussion:

automation = replication? (as in should it be included in the ToU?)
multiboxing= not multiloading!
multiboxing= really an economical advantage?

Feel free to correct me.
I have nothing really useful to contribute anyway anymore so, I'll leave the discussions.

Have a nice day, everyone!

No, you pretty much really hit it on the head there. The issue is that people still lump multi-loading and multi-boxing into the same category, as if they're the same thing, hence the constant need to clarify that they're not.

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DCDTDito wrote:

Basicly TL:DR GGG need to deal with it now or there will be consequence later.

The same kind of consequences D2 and TL had to suffer? Making millions of dollars, having strong loyal fan bases and being projected to the stuff of legends? Sounds like the right kind of consequences to me. The kind I want to have.

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DCDTDito wrote:

Let me highly doubt that,by highly i mean totaly.

You believe what you want to, but I will stop playing this game and treat it as more a proving ground for the best hackers. I'll prolly move on to playing D2 again if they made hacking legal in the ToS/ToU.

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valarias wrote:

Translation: I have no retort.

You were already proven wrong. There's no need for a retort after that. You were proven wrong and then went on an emotional (and incorrect) rant because you no longer had any logical grounds to stand on.

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Zalm wrote:

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DCDTDito wrote:

Basicly TL:DR GGG need to deal with it now or there will be consequence later.

The same kind of consequences D2 and TL had to suffer? Making millions of dollars, having strong loyal fan bases and being projected to the stuff of legends? Sounds like the right kind of consequences to me. The kind I want to have.

Irrelevant D2/TL same dev with d1 history to back it up.

PoE as nothing to back it up and at first sight of pvp poeple dont want multi-boxer.

I should do as you alway say and go "trust me having played 90% of MMORPG/ARPG PvP and the like i can assure you that this is what 90% of the player base doesn't want."

Also allowing such pety thing as multi-boxing brought in more skilled hacker program maker and the like in d2 ending in item dupping massive botting that could never be dealt with and even webpage purely dedicated to IRL selling of d2 item.

If that is the consequence you wish for zalm then keep on approving of multi-boxing.

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DCDTDito wrote:

Also allowing such pety thing as multi-boxing brought in more skilled hacker program maker and the like in d2 ending in item dupping massive botting that could never be dealt with and even webpage purely dedicated to IRL selling of d2 item.

You seriously just made that up. There is no factual basis behind that statement whatsoever.

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imtheshane wrote:

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valarias wrote:

Translation: I have no retort.

You were already proven wrong. There's no need for a retort after that. You were proven wrong and then went on an emotional (and incorrect) rant because you no longer had any logical grounds to stand on.

I was proven wrong how exactly? because they finally had a ban wave only 7 months after the game launch with bots in the first week?

So to be straight because an event occurred after MOST of the players had already left the game and would have essentially no general knowledge of this fine example of anti-cheat, that someone deflects the obvious point that they did NOTHING for 7 months.

Do you know how many people died in Africa today? no because you don't live there.

congratulations you've leveled up past uninformed idiot, to pro-googler.

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Nightmare90 wrote:

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Alienchild wrote:

The same way they allowed all those Bots? For the cold, hard, cash? Oh wait, they don't allow Bots.

Also remember Blizzard aren't the only company allowing multi-boxing, in fact just the opposite, hard to find a company that does not allow multi-boxing. Even indie companies, like the makers of Torchlight allow multi-boxing.

Must be giant conspiracy. None of these companies care about their player base, just cold, hard, cash.

This is one of the very weakest arguments used about multi-boxing, but very popular with the tinfoil hat crowd.

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It is somewhat fatal to think because other to the same thing, GGG needs to do the same, too.
As of know they pretty much stand out in doing not so.
And the fanbase loves them because they do so.

What if every company has done it wrong all along? Why not trying to find a original solution?

I have no problem with GGG killing multi-boxing in POE. The sheer difficulty of multi-boxing POE means that very few players will be able to do much at all about participating in multi-boxing.

Heck, I am an experienced boxer and I got no plans at all to box POE. I run a few accounts, but that is purely for muling purposes, to get low level gems for my alts and to use 1 account to give waypoints etc to a new alt on another account.

Not even planning at this stage to do multi-logging, even though it is trivial to do.

So why post about multi-boxing then? Because I am a fairly established multi-boxer and care about the multi-boxing community. It is a friendly and helpful community, full of really good players with lots of technical and gameplay insights.

I will keep on defending multi-boxing for this reason. The POE community is full of hate and ignorance and tries to demonize multi-boxing when there is in fact nothing really to demonize.

It is multi-logging that is the real object of concern, and players get the 2 mixed up.

Honestly, multi-boxing is HARD in POE. Give it a go, you will see that very quickly.

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imtheshane wrote:

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DCDTDito wrote:

Also allowing such pety thing as multi-boxing brought in more skilled hacker program maker and the like in d2 ending in item dupping massive botting that could never be dealt with and even webpage purely dedicated to IRL selling of d2 item.

You seriously just made that up. There is no factual basis behind that statement whatsoever.

Prove me wrong then?

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DCDTDito wrote:

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imtheshane wrote:

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DCDTDito wrote:

Also allowing such pety thing as multi-boxing brought in more skilled hacker program maker and the like in d2 ending in item dupping massive botting that could never be dealt with and even webpage purely dedicated to IRL selling of d2 item.

You seriously just made that up. There is no factual basis behind that statement whatsoever.

Prove me wrong then?

Shit just got real.

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DCDTDito wrote:

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Zalm wrote:

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DCDTDito wrote:

Basicly TL:DR GGG need to deal with it now or there will be consequence later.

The same kind of consequences D2 and TL had to suffer? Making millions of dollars, having strong loyal fan bases and being projected to the stuff of legends? Sounds like the right kind of consequences to me. The kind I want to have.

Irrelevant D2/TL same dev with d1 history to back it up.

PoE as nothing to back it up and at first sight of pvp poeple dont want multi-boxer.

I should do as you alway say and go "trust me having played 90% of MMORPG/ARPG PvP and the like i can assure you that this is what 90% of the player base doesn't want."

Also allowing such pety thing as multi-boxing brought in more skilled hacker program maker and the like in d2 ending in item dupping massive botting that could never be dealt with and even webpage purely dedicated to IRL selling of d2 item.

If that is the consequence you wish for zalm then keep on approving of multi-boxing.

If you mean (trade site from D2 history) or whatever, it happens when the game gets botted to death and people need somewhere to go for good trades of in game items for in game items without buying crap with real money. Did RMT happen on jsp? probably, but it doesnt turn over the fact that the trade system here is much better than D2. The forums act like d2jsp does, so we dont need one.

And if your argument to not allow multiboxing is the 'slippery slope' argument or the 'gateway drug' shot, its piss poor and worthless. If that was the case, then trading on the forums is a gateway to trading for real money, which is a bannable offense, same way it was bannable to bot.

and I dont think PvP multiboxing has been touched on yet, but since I dont PvP anyway, I cant fight for or against that.

I got warned about mentioning certain sites that have had RMT in the past, so I edited myself.