Donald Trump and US politics
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Isn't this just precious? Downtown Phoenix, AZ. McCain country. Should be him on the damn thing.
 "This isn't necessarily true, and runs contrary to common decency in many instances. For example, a fully legal non-citizen immigrant should have rights. Even a tourist from another country should have rights; how would you like it if you took a trip to Canada and were imprisoned indefinitely without trial? There are, of course, other instances where granting rights to non-citizens is absurd. For example, if all persons on US soil have a 4th Amendment right to due process, then a Mexican citizen who fights his way past customs officials and gets one toe on US soil can't be remanded back to Mexico without his day in court. Such matters are further complicated by incidents such as hospitalizations, which can extend a visit to another country past intended leave time. There simply isn't Constitutional guidance on this stuff. Attribution of Constitutional rights to immigrants perhaps should be, but most certainly is not, as clear-cut as you'd like it to be — the word used in granting most rights is "the people." There is legislation, but that goes on for pages. What I think should be is four stages of rights: 0: No rights whatsoever. This applies only to non-citizens who enter the US illegally. Additional rights may be established by treaty with another country (for example, an international agreement with Mexico); however, the basis should be solely bilateral international law, not national law, because such individuals do not represent a US responsibility, but a joint responsibility. 1: Temporary access to Constitutional rights. This applies to any tourist who so much as legally checks in at a port of entry (as well as all those waiting for processing at a port of entry). Rights end at a fixed time that visitors are notified of at time of entry. Special exceptions are made for those who miss their time due to hospitalization, being kidnapped by a psychopath, etc. Expiration equals deportation (at port of entry entered). 2: Permanent but revokable Constitutional rights. This applies to non-citizens going through the naturalization process. Revocation of rights requires due process of law (meaning: a hearing in court). Revocation equals deportation. 3: Permanent rights that cannot be revoked. US citizens. I'd actually like to see visa holders be treated less like Category 1 like they are now, and more like Category 2. Visa renewal is a bureaucratic waste. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on Mar 19, 2017, 2:58:09 AM
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The problem is, every other country on the planet is much harsher than the USA on these subjects but as soon as the USA starts to get on the same level, we are somehow monsters.
 Remember when I won a screenshot contest and made everyone butt-hurt? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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" It really is Orwellian. The biggest warmonger and supporter of war-profiteering is currently McCain. He even went so far as being a propaganda tool for shady islamist groups, that back in the Bush days would be generally called al-Qaeda, but in the new reality are called moderate islamists. Politicians are lucky that most people either don't have the time to think or don't care. When night falls
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" The Constitution that embodies the philosophical ideas that your rights depend on? Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. You can't claim unalienable rights and pick and choose who to give them to. People either have these natural right or they don't. These are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government. " You are America, you don't get lower standard. You want to be compare to the third world? Last edited by deathflower on Mar 19, 2017, 5:27:11 AM
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" Yes, that's one interpretation. Rights without defense aren't meaningful. I can claim to own the Moon, but with no strength to back that claim up, it's uncertain if it's true or not. In the same way, the rights of the citizens must be defended. Military, law, and social contracts define that defense. That defense is paid for in taxation. It would be nice if everyone believed in our Constitution and swore to its ideals, chipping in to defend those ideals whenever needed. Or better yet, no defense is ever needed because everyone agrees to be good and never infringe on the rights of others. Until that utopian time, the deal is a little more straightforward: show up, fill out the paperwork, pay your taxes, and come into the fold. --- It's a scarcity argument. We're paying for public schooling and healthcare and others so that everyone that lives here can pursue that happiness. If we could pay for all of those things for everyone in the world, there wouldn't be a problem. We can't do that yet. If we have to pick and choose who gets what defense, the first priority should be the people that have already sworn allegiance to our laws and who are already paying their taxes. | |
" Exactly and this is an elementary concept (so elementary that SJW-s dont get it). In a world of limited resources (limited jobs, limited welfare, limites housing, schooling, etc..) a system (= country) has to first take care of those who are supplying the system those limited resources. The only people that are owed anything, are those who already paid their "dues" to the system = people in pension. The left likes to talk about rights and "humanity" all the time, but bringing in millions of foreign people, who will: 1.) just consume resources (welfare, healthcare, social housing, etc..) 2.) work illegally, thus steal jobs, but not contribute into the social system 3.) work for less, thus lowering wages for everyone 4.) not work, but cause crime instead ...is actually inhumane toward the native population. When the government shits all over lawful citizens and retired people, skimping on their pensions, but at the same time is importing and taking care of migrants from the 3rd world, this is when the population will start to vote in actual Nazis (not the immaginary ones, like Trump). This will happen in EU, as our smug political elites shit on the native population in favour of globalist concepts. The left and the right are both guilty of this and support mass immigration for various reasons: ideological "multiculturalism", cheaper labour, maintaining the socialist ponzi scheme, etc.. Import enough "3rd world" and your country will become 3rd world (economically and in terms of rights / liberties). When night falls
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" You list things that nazis would find great. Funny how people say nazis are bad but use the same logic as them when they talk out against immigration. |
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" Little thing you forgot is.... Nazis were leftist and liberals. | |
" It isn't an interpretation but whether you believe in the moral principle that people have the rights to defend their Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. It is sad reality when you value your rights above their and your power allow you to strip them of their. It is the moral realization that people need government to protect these rights through Collective effort to prevent tyranny. What is to prevent you from being strip of your rights without the people to defend it from more powerful adversaries? People who strip others of these rights are guilty of tyranny. If you do not believe in the moral justice to protect your collective rights in your constitution, then it is just might makes right. This is the irony. It is this irony that you believe in. Scarcity is in a way self induce. Society has insufficient productive resources to fulfill seemingly unlimited human wants in a world of limited resources. You simply can't. Most of the world is in Scarcity, they live in poverty. Rest of the world is definitely less well off than you are. Some people have abundant and some people have none. People make do with what they have. It is the problem with want, people always want more than what they have. You want what little they have. We go over to other countries to exploit their resources, their labor ,"steal" their most talented people. In a world with limited resources, you can't have more without taking from someone else. It is the lack of consciousness or the apathy for the weak or the poor that we have. In the words of a famous philosopher, "We Simply Do Not Care!" |
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