It's time for preleveled/preascended characters to enter the shop or be made available somehow.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

There's already pay for trade tabs, what's the diff?

Pay for trade tabs are already too much P2W, but at least it doesn't directly effect your character.

No, the slippery slope does not justify just throwing away the "no P2W" philosophy completely. This idea is idiotic, I was ignoring this thread hoping it would die, but it just refuses to.

If you want to P2W go play a different game, this game is supposed to be the last bastion of fair play in the F2P landscape. Stop trying to corrupt it further.

Quality thread. :D

Not sure if trolling, being sarcastic, or serious... hmmm...

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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AceNightfire wrote:

Sorry, but I can't support this. This is just to casual in my opinion.

This is not a valid argument.

Ofc it is a valid argument. The majority of players wants a Diablo 2 aRPG experience. Hard but fair. Adding purchaseable lvl 60 characters ist just out of question for this playerbase. So GGG would offend a large part of it's community (don't forget that most players do not join the conversations in this forum) when they would introduce payable lvl 60 characters.

The only thing I COULD(!!) imagine is a 3rd standard league, where people can start at high levels (like the suggested lvl 60) and try out stuff as much as they want. Then it would be free for everyone and it would be sepparated from the standard Soft- and Hardcore Leagues.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

I think he's actually threatened that GGG might do it, lol.

They aren't that stupid.

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AceNightfire wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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AceNightfire wrote:

Sorry, but I can't support this. This is just to casual in my opinion.

This is not a valid argument.

Ofc it is a valid argument. The majority of players wants a Diablo 2 aRPG experience. Hard but fair. Adding purchaseable lvl 60 characters ist just out of question for this playerbase. So GGG would offend a large part of it's community (don't forget that most players do not join the conversations in this forum) when they would introduce payable lvl 60 characters.

The only thing I COULD(!!) imagine is a 3rd standard league, where people can start at high levels (like the suggested lvl 60) and try out stuff as much as they want. Then it would be free for everyone and it would be sepparated from the standard Soft- and Hardcore Leagues.

"It's casual" is not a valid argument, because it's too vague, derogatory, and provides nothing of substance to the conversation. At least you stated what you think it means: "Hard but fair."

I like the idea of a 3rd league, but the same trolls that rail against the self found league suggestions would cry about "splitting up the player base" as if that even matters. I personally think self found is pointless, but let them have it. It doesn't really effect me at all. Same deal here.

Btw, you can't speak for people who don't join the forums anymore than I can, and if I just say that they want the opposite, neither of us gets anywhere.

As for the D2-like experience, that's pretty far gone already. It wasn't expected that any build could play in Hell--unlike here with Merc. Normal/Cruel have no meaning here. They are just a pointless, tedious time sink. Players could very quickly and easily "rush" and power level each other, but GGG has tried to make that basically impossible here. At least in D2 you could play any build you want simply by doing Cow/Sanctuary/Baal runs to get yourself to about level 60 or so and just do what you want from there. So I don't see how forcing people through lame, non-content makes this a D2-like experience--it's really not.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

I'm sorry, Goetzjam. You aren't in charge of when discussions end. Or begin. Or anything else, for that matter.

Run along now.

Casual_Ascent, how dare you make another post! I'm so disappointed. You must have missed it?

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goetzjam wrote:

END OF THE FUCKING DISCUSSION.

The Goetzjam has SPOKEN! HAHAHAHA

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Btw, you can't speak for people who don't join the forums anymore than I can, and if I just say that they want the opposite, neither of us gets anywhere.

Hardcore-Gamers (not HC League) usually don't want any buyable benefits. And since this game got successful with those Hardcore-Gamers, you can guess that most people would be against this. lvl 60 would be clearly a pay2win thing, because it saves you TONS of time and significantly changes how the game is played. Those who pay will have a shortcut and try out new stuff all the time, while the rest has to do the "boring" stuff.

That's a clear no-go. So instead of suggesting things like these that can only be enjoyed by those who pay, we should try to make suggestions that make the leveling-experience better. I made a thread about this, but sadly no one answered to it (guess it doesn't have enough GGG-sucks flame in it...):

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696520

Well the bottom line is that GGG needs income. Only they know how bad that need is at any point in time. There will likely come a day that they might need to start charging for entry into leagues, or access to new acts, or a monthly access fee, or?