It's time for preleveled/preascended characters to enter the shop or be made available somehow.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

I've only read the first and last page of the thread, but I think I can say with a reasonable degree of confidence that ANY pay2win additions more blatant than stash tabs, and pay2level more than qualifies, will lead to a mass exodus from this game worse than anything we've seen before.

You think all the players leaving due to the Labyrinth is bad? It would be far worse than that.

+1

It's very naive to think such pay-to-level option in the cash shop, would have no or minimal impact on the playerbase. It would be "P2W stash-tabs", multiplied by 1000.

Those who understand how such a radically different monetizing scheme would negatively impact the game development and quality, would leave. I would leave for good without thinking it twice. After such a move, the game quality would only decline or at best not improve.

If such thing ever happens, it would be a sure sign that GGG is abandoning the project and making the last cow-milking cash-sprint, before they close shop.

More "Sky is falling" argumentation. Bleh.

It's just as likely that people who actually want to play a lot of builds would flock back to the game since it was the boring and tedious leveling process that drives them away. End result? Zero sum. Only difference is that GGG can make some money to make more improvements to other areas of the game, or begin development on PoE2, which is equally acceptable, and still doesn't constitute any kind of failure for this game.

^ yes, because every other blatant P2W game has such good gameplay quality. "Totally not devs relying on bad design, to milk the cow".

That PoE would become worse, with more P2W features, is an educated guess. That it would become better or a fundation for "poe 2" is pure speculation. For some reason you are also assuming that GGG is currently doing badly, financially. And that the P2W money would go into Act5 / improving endgame and not more P2W shit. Why?

@morbo

Don't waste anymore of your time on this stupid thread.

People will argue this is a good thing until the end of time, instead of accepting the fact that it is never going to happen and they should instead focus on how to make the 1-60 experience better, instead of just saying "i dont like it"

List the reasons why you don't like it and see if perhaps there are changes that can help everyone, not just those willing to drop money on a character boost.

Sorry, but I can't support this. This is just to casual in my opinion. Instead of suggesting finished lvl 60 characters, they should make the acts more interestings.

For example add more acts and remove normal/cruel completely. If the game has 6 or more acts, one difficulty would be sufficient and you wouldn't have to play the acts over and over again.

Also they could make leveling high level characters easy. Getting to lvl 75 is quite fast, but after that it really gets slow, which is boring.

Another option would be to add maps that directly start from lvl 1, so you dont have to do the quests over and over again. And at certain levels you can get the quest rewards without doing the quests. So players can completely focus on clearing maps without fiddling around with quests. This option is available for all characters as soon as you have completed the whole story (that includes killing the last story boss in highest difficulty). So this would work similiar to the trials (once done, you dont have to do it again).

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AceNightfire wrote:

Sorry, but I can't support this. This is just to casual in my opinion. Instead of suggesting finished lvl 60 characters, they should make the acts more interestings.

For example add more acts and remove normal/cruel completely. If the game has 6 or more acts, one difficulty would be sufficient and you wouldn't have to play the acts over and over again.

Also they could make leveling high level characters easy. Getting to lvl 75 is quite fast, but after that it really gets slow, which is boring.

Another option would be to add maps that directly start from lvl 1, so you dont have to do the quests over and over again. And at certain levels you can get the quest rewards without doing the quests. So players can completely focus on clearing maps without fiddling around with quests. This option is available for all characters as soon as you have completed the whole story (that includes killing the last story boss in highest difficulty). So this would work similiar to the trials (once done, you dont have to do it again).

This would be an excellent OP for a thread about how to improve the character leveling.

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morbo wrote:

^ yes, because every other blatant P2W game has such good gameplay quality. "Totally not devs relying on bad design, to milk the cow".

That PoE would become worse, with more P2W features, is an educated guess. That it would become better or a fundation for "poe 2" is pure speculation. For some reason you are also assuming that GGG is currently doing badly, financially. And that the P2W money would go into Act5 / improving endgame and not more P2W shit. Why?

I never said they were in a bad financial situation. I never even implied it. Calling your speculation and educated guess and mine otherwise is hilarious too, because neither can be proven until they are tried. The truth is simply that you don't like it, and don't have a real argument against it other than the false claim that it is p2w.

P2W has little to do with gameplay quality in either case:
-DDO used to be amazing until they introduced random "champion" monsters into the game, but it was p2w from the start--and actual p2w, not this nonsense that the Chicken Littles around these forums spew.
-Warframe has p2w elements, but isn't actually a p2w game in the end. It still is an awesome game.
-Rift is a solid MMO that gets accused of this a lot, but people always mistake the option to use p2w elements for the whole game being p2w, even though you don't have to at all. The closest thing with Rift is that you'll need to buy a couple expansions to have access to certain content, but that's more like dlc now, isn't it? Let's not forget that you can totally buy the MTX currency from other players via game currency. Seems like a reasonable way about it.

So even if you could somehow show that it is p2w--which it isn't--that is still not a negative thing anyway, and is a separate issue from gameplay quality.

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goetzjam wrote:

People will argue this is a good thing until the end of time, instead of accepting the fact that it is never going to happen and they should instead focus on how to make the 1-60 experience better, instead of just saying "i dont like it"

Not any different from what you're doing.

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AceNightfire wrote:

Sorry, but I can't support this. This is just to casual in my opinion.

This is not a valid argument.

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Instead of suggesting finished lvl 60 characters, they should make the acts more interestings.

Do both. Let GGG choose which option is better. I'll take either.

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Do both. Let GGG choose which option is better. I'll take either.

Obviously they are going to choose the option that not only fit the model they have set in place, but the design on the game, which is the one that doesn't support the idea of people paying for a preleveled character.

END OF THE FUCKING DISCUSSION.

I think he's actually threatened that GGG might do it, lol.